On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > This is hilarious. > > I would *never* use a laptop that lacks a way to protect all your > traffic (eg: VPN/Tor/SSH tunnel/etc) in a place with serious > surveillance as an at risk person. Not only because the remote systems > will have your exact geographic location and because a lack of anonymity > allows for targeted attacks, but also because the local network is well > known to be seriously hostile! > > Thankfully, while Chrome does not support better solutions (such as Tor), it does in fact support VPN connections: http://support.google.com/chromeos/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1282338 > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> The biggest (and very important) difference between Linux and > Chromebooks > >> is the hugely smaller attack surface. > >> > >> > >> NK > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Brian Conley <[email protected] > >wrote: > >> > >>> Andreas, > >>> > >>> Plenty of Syrians do have internet access, and use it on a regular > basis. > >>> > >>> Also, lack of appropriateness for one use-case doesn't necessitate lack > >>> of appropriateness across the board. > >>> > >>> Linux is a great solution for many use cases, but as has been > elaborated, > >>> quite a terrible one for many others. > >>> > >>> Brian > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Andreas Bader <[email protected] > >wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 02/06/2013 04:24 PM, Tom Ritter wrote: > >>>>> Nadim, I'm with you. I'm not sure it's the perfect solution for > >>>>> everyone, but like Nathan said, if you already trust Google, I think > >>>>> it's a good option. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 6 February 2013 07:12, Andreas Bader <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Why don't you use an old thinkpad or something with Linux, you have > >>>> the > >>>>>> same price like a Chromebook but more control over the system. And > you > >>>>>> don't depend on the 3G and Wifi net. > >>>>> We started with the notion of Linux, and we were attracted to > >>>>> Chromebooks for a bunch of reasons. Going back to Linux loses all > the > >>>>> things we were attracted to. > >>>>> > >>>>> - ChromeOS's attack surface is infinitely smaller than with Linux > >>>>> - The architecture of ChromeOS is different from Linux - process > >>>>> separation through SOP, as opposed to no process separation at all > >>>>> - ChromeOS was *designed* to have you logout, and hand the device > over > >>>>> to someone else to login, and get no access to your stuff. Extreme > >>>>> Hardware attacks aside, it works pretty well. > >>>>> - ChromeOS's update mechanism is automatic, transparent, and > basically > >>>>> foolproof. Having bricked Ubuntu and Gentoo systems, the same is not > >>>>> true of Linux. > >>>>> - Verified Boot, automatic FDE, tamper-resistant hardware > >>>>> > >>>>> Something I'm curious about is, if any less-popular device became > >>>>> popular amoung the activist community - would the government view is > >>>>> as an indicator of interest? Just like they block Tor, would they > >>>>> block Chromebooks? It'd have to get pretty darn popular first > though. > >>>>> > >>>>> -tom > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>> But you can't use it for political activists e.g. in Syria because of > >>>> its dependence on the internet connection. This fact is authoritative. > >>>> For Europe and USA and so on it might be a good solution. > >>>> -- > >>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > >>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Brian Conley > >>> > >>> Director, Small World News > >>> > >>> http://smallworldnews.tv > >>> > >>> m: 646.285.2046 > >>> > >>> Skype: brianjoelconley > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > >>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > > > > -- > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >
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