Dear friends, About Bernard: Yes i think there are connections between these merchants and botnets. And yes, if you follow a fake account (you know this is fake) probably if you see his followers you can find the "botnet" but is not easy ;-)
About Mark: There are many tools but they don't work ( 90% of journalists think yes, we demostrate not). We find a good way how to find fake followers but there is a cost and we have no funds. Sorry for my english! :( 2013/6/4 Mark Nelson <markmnel...@gmail.com> > Thank you for this, Andrea. > > I have rather the opposite question. Is there any way for an account > holder to verify that their followers are real humans, who are following > them with intent rather than because they own a bot-net compromised > computer? > > I smell the opportunity for a follower auditing business. > > Best, > > Mark > > > On Tuesday, June 4, 2013, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Thanks Andrea for answering my questions. >> >> So regarding the cost its due to the extra PVA bypass, which the >> "follower merchants" charge for..I wonder if there is any connection >> between these merchants and botnets? Botnet owners or spammers would seem >> like a great source of "valid" IDs. >> >> I wonder if "limit" in tracing fake followers is useful for something >> else other than zombie accounts... >> >> thanks again. >> >> >> On 3 Jun 2013, at 21:11, Andrea St wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > and thank for the questions. >> > >> > On twitter you need to bypass captcha, buy a "black software" >> > (botnets), buy premium proxy address. >> > >> > On facebook you need to bypass captcha, buy a "black software", buy >> > premium proxy address , pva bypasser (phone verification code) and >> > verified email. >> > >> > -- >> > >> > About Mercedes Benz and others brand i don't know what people think >> > about but this is a good question and if there are any sociologists >> > here, please ping us! >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Impossible to prove if X bought fake followers and this is the main >> > reason because people do it. >> > >> > 2013/6/3 Bernard Tyers <ei8...@ei8fdb.org>: >> >> Hello Andrea, >> >> >> >> Thanks for sending the presentation. Very interesting. >> >> >> >> I have a few questions: >> >> >> >> - how did you calculate the "variable cost" for creating a Twitter >> account >> >> and a Facebook account? >> >> - why the difference in cost of creation of each? (Maybe I am missing >> >> something obvious...) >> >> - is it possible to quantify the negative effect of a popular twitter >> >> account (ending Mercedes Benz, or some celebrity) being exposed as >> buying >> >> followers? (i.e.: does anyone care?) >> >> - what do you think it the affect is on the reputation of the account >> owner? >> >> Is it possible to prove a user did not buy followers? As in, is it >> possible >> >> to prove someone else bought the followers for another account? >> >> >> >> Thanks very much! >> >> >> >> Bernard >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Andrea St <and...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Dear friends, >> >>> >> >>> Two weeks ago we presented at Nexa For Internet & Society our Research >> >>> about Twitter and underground market. >> >>> Now you can download here: >> >>> http://nexa.polito.it/nexacenterfiles/lunch-11-de_micheli-stroppa.pdf >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Our research on Nyt part1: >> >>> >> >>> >> http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/05/fake-twitter-followers-becomes-multimillion-dollar-business/ >> >>> Our research on Nyt part2 : >> >>> >> >>> >> http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/researchers-call-out-twitter-celebrities-with-suspicious-followings/ >> >>> >> >>> Now we're working on Facebook. If you have any idea or you would like >> >>> to get in touch my >> >>> email is: and...@gmail.com >> >>> >> >>> Best, >> >>> A >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my tiny electronic gadget. Please excuse my brevity and >> (probable) >> >> spelling mistakes. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by >> >> emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings >> at >> >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Andrea Stroppa >> > http://huffingtonpost.com/andrea-stroppa >> > @andst7 >> > -- >> > Too many emails? 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