Adam Back makes many excellent points in this message; I'd like to focus on two of them.
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 07:31:59PM +0200, Eugen Leitl quoted Adam Back: > Curiously many journalists and commentators seem to be suffering from > repeated extremely naive failure to parse PR-speak. They need to read more > from Binney and re-listen to Snowden. You cant expect to reverse engineer > the architecture of something from a PR expert who is intentionally lying to > you. Correct. As I've pointed out here and elsewhere, PR people are trained, professional liars. That's their JOB. Some of them are extremely good at it, to the point where they really can fool most of the people most of the time. This sometimes includes, as Adam noted, journalists and commentators -- people who often have formidable wordsmithing skills of their own. They seem to forget who they're listening to and who signs their paychecks. I find it useful to simply presume that they're lying every single time they speak. This yields imperfect results, of course, but it's a better first approximation to reality than naively presuming everything they say is true. And if weasel words are used, for example -- as is so popular these days when massive security breaches occur as a result of obvious incompetence and negligence -- something like: "We take our customers' privacy seriously." then the approximation may be quite good indeed. > No doubt the prime PRISM motivations were profit (defense contractors with > big lobbing influence in the post 9-11 world) plus a bit of national > security, chasing the odd bad guy. But for proportionality in cost (the > number of people killed by terrorists is a tiny tiny risk for western > countries), and erosion of civil liberties (4th amendment to americans) this > is an outrage. Many people died historically fighting to rid the world of > such facist governments. We should not glibly build the means of > democracies downfall. It is instructive, at this point, to read the history of Stasi. What the NSA is doing today looks very much as if it were architected using the more "successful" Stasi programs as a blueprint. They are, sadly, constructing the machinery of fascism. And in the process, they are doing vastly more damage to the republic than all the terrorists in the world could ever hope to do -- because all of them combined and multiplied by a hundred could never threaten the existence of the nation as much as this does. "What mistake? The first one, the one from which all mistakes proceed: the error of pride. [...] We applied all our wisdom, all our knowledge to opening a door to another dimension. [...] We forgot that a door may swing in two directions. We were so concerned with getting out that we never stopped to consider what we might be letting in until it was too late." In their hubris, in their self-righteousness, in their unquestioned sureness of their cause, they have failed to ask themselves the most important question -- which is not "what if we fail?" but "what if we succeed?" ---rsk -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech