On 2013-07-11, at 12:38 PM, Maxim Kammerer <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <[email protected]> wrote: >> While I think Maxim is viewed as exceedingly harsh in how he writes, I >> think that your response is really the wrong way to deal with him. We >> should consider that his cultural background is different and that as >> far as I understand it, he isn't a native english speaker. Between the >> two things, perhaps we might just ask him to be nicer? > > I am often harsh because I dislike circlejerks. Activists are too > often completely unable to employ critical thinking when the result of > that thinking would go contrary to their ideology — even more so when > said activists lack scientific/technical education. E.g., recall that > case last year where legal activists on this list finally succeeded in > (or at least supported, not sure) enhancing export controls of > software [1]. I was as annoyed as you, but I wasn't surprised. This is > what these people do: claim they support some idea (e.g., freedom to > write software), but easily do something to the contrary when the > result is not aligned with their ideology. There is no critical > thinking involved — nothing in their life accustomed these people to > the need to think critically. > > Anyway, back to the topic. I don't care much about Cryptocat, simply > because I don't care much about web programming. I don't think I > participated in a discussion about Cryptocat previously. I did > converse with Nadim when he was going to do something stupid in the > project once, but got tired quickly when he found it hard to grasp > simple CS concepts. So he fixed the problem, and I stopped caring, > fine. But in this thread, I pointed out something very simple: > Cryptocat paid for professional peer review (audit, whatever you call > it), and it didn't work. Then, people start to lecture me for some > reason, as if I have any reason to listen to that chatter. Did > Cryptocat contact Veracode for a response? I mean, they spent CIA > money on that, no? Or was that money spent just to be able to write a > rosy blog post? E.g., I thought about hiring their audit services as > well before — is that a bad idea? Is the value in such an audit only > in being able to convince people who don't understand anything about > programming? So, say, clueless people got happy due to an audit, and > Cryptocat people were forced to fix a bug due to someone finding and > widely publishing it — I can understand that. So, where are the > answers to these questions? Why am I reading useless apologies and > expressions of support instead?
Wow. NK > > [1] > https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2012-September/004854.html > > -- > Maxim Kammerer > Liberté Linux: http://dee.su/liberte > -- > Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by > emailing moderator at [email protected] or changing your settings at > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at [email protected] or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
