Fascinating topic. Related: Henry Farrell and Cosma Shalizi's work on Cognitive Democracy http://crookedtimber.org/2012/05/23/cognitive-democracy/
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Mitar <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi! > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Peter Lindener <[email protected]> > wrote: > > At his point, while we could have discussions about how best to resolve > these > > cyclically ranked majority..... > > It seems that you are assuming that the possibility of cyclically > ranked majority is the biggest issue with democracy? I could argue > that the biggest issue is assumption that we can based on preferences > of individuals determine what would be the best for the group as a > whole. Why exactly would this be related? Why exactly if we know what > each individual wants for him or herself, we would know what would be > best for the group? (For any definition of "best".) Of course you get > conflicts and cycles if everyone looks only at his or her own > interests. > > I found it a bit premature optimization that we are concerned how to > optimize voting among given choices when we should be maybe more > concerned how the choices are constructed. Because this is the big > question. Not how can we find fancy ways to sum up the votes among > given options. > > The issue is that we are always given options to choose from. But we > are hardly ever consulted in preparation of those options. Is this > really democracy? To be allowed to vote which among two kings or > queens (or hundred or whatever number) will rule you for next four or > five years? Beautiful. > > So my question is more: how can we get new ideas and new solutions to > issues from participation of everybody? How can we get people to be > able to contribute to the solution to the issue, not just to choose > among provided solutions? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUS1m5MSt9k > > > Mitar > > -- > http://mitar.tnode.com/ > https://twitter.com/mitar_m > -- > Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by > emailing moderator at [email protected] or changing your settings at > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >
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