What do you mean exactly by "second-tier thought-leaders"? It REALLY,
AWFULLY, sounds patronizing and "imperialistic" etc.

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On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Bill Woodcock <[email protected]> wrote:
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> On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:25 AM, Bill Woodcock <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:28 AM, David Johnson <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting ... but is this even possible?
>>> http://world.time.com/2013/09/18/brazil-looks-to-break-from-u-s-centric-internet/
>>
>> Well, there are a bunch of different concepts being discussed.  The primary 
>> one is localization of routing, which isn't just possible, it's 
>> best-practice, and something Brazil has been doing an excellent job of 
>> already for quite a few years.  If you look at 
>> https://pch.net/applications/ixpdir/summary/ you'll see that they've got 23 
>> active exchanges, which puts them second in the world after the U.S., with 
>> 77% annualized growth, compared to 10% in the U.S.  If you look at the 
>> Brazil section of https://pch.net/ixpdir you'll see that almost all of that 
>> growth has been occurring since they made it an explicit policy goal in 
>> 2008, and began aggressively implementing IXP best-practices.
>>
>> At a governance level, Brazil is divided.  The CGI, which decides and 
>> implements domestic Internet policy, is the agency responsible for all this 
>> growth and best-practices-following.  As such, they've been largely aligned 
>> with OECD-country and Internet interests.  The Brazilian federal government, 
>> on the other hand, sets foreign policy, interacts with the ITU, et cetera.  
>> And so although it has no appreciable influence over what happens _within_ 
>> the country, it's what's seen by other national governments in diplomatic 
>> circles.  In Internet governance, Brazil tends toward this 
>> Brazil-India-South Africa axis, which doesn't particularly align with the 
>> Internet or OECD countries, unless by accident.  This is the area that 
>> Internet folks are most worried about, since those three countries are 
>> second-tier thought-leaders in the ITU, and can swing a lot of 
>> developing-country votes in their respective regions.  So Brazil is, in many 
>> ways, the U.S.' opposite: they do the right thing domestically, but say the 
>> wrong thing internationally.
>
> Sorry, hit "send" too soon.  The third area is content and the application 
> layer.  Localizing routing doesn't make any difference if users explicitly 
> choose a service that's only hosted elsewhere, so promoting local content and 
> online services is also important, and an inherently good thing (in that it's 
> more efficient from routing, performance, and economic standpoints).  Getting 
> all their users off Orkut, for instance.  :-)
>
> So, my guess is that what happened here is that the Brazilian federal 
> government went to the CGI, asked what the scoop was, got clued in, and 
> crafted the most opportunistic possible spin on what they've already been 
> doing (well) for the past six years.  Because they've already been doing a 
> good job of it, the announcement looks particularly momentous to people who 
> haven't been paying attention.
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