Who cares if they murdered someone in Iraq?  That has nothing to do
with America and doesn't endanger America.  I wouldn't care if Saddam
and his sons, raped women, got them pregnant, cut them open, took the
fetus, boiled it and ate it on television.  That wouldn't be a valid
reason or provocation for the U.S. Military to get involved.  



--- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Right.  And Uday and Qusay never tortured or murdered anyone, 
> right.  All those eye-witnesses are just liars.  And all those dead 
> bodies in the ground?  Well, they died in accidents falling off 
> their bicycles on the way to the Mosque.  
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Plotting to assasinate a man who launched an unprovoked attack 
> against
> > your nation, established illegal "no fly zones", bombed you daily, 
> and
> > kicked open your doors and those of your countrymen to search for
> > weapons you don't even have, and subsequently starve more than 
> 200,000
> > people to death and keep them from live saving medicines as George
> > H.W. Bush did, is not enough.  
> > 
> > In fact NOTHING short of absolutely undeniable solid proof that 
> Iraq
> > made a DIRECT ATTACK on AMERICAN SHIPS (Registered in America, not
> > Kuwaiti ships putting American flags up) or AMERICAN SOIL is 
> enough to
> > get the U.S. military involved.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], Deus Ex Machina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > didnt sadaam plot to assasinate Bush snr? thats good enough
> > > justification
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > Saddam Hussein had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Oklahoma 
> City
> > > > bombing, and NOTHING to do with the September 11th attacks.  
> Anyone
> > > > who says otherwise is a liar, an idiot, or both.  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Saddam Hussein through his henchmen attacked the United 
> States, 
> > > > > brutally right in the Heartland of America in 1995 in 
> Oklahoma
> > City, 
> > > > > Oklahoma.  Perhaps you heard of it?  183 innocent Americans 
> died.  
> > > > > But Clinton and Janet Reno covered it up and pinned it on 
> some ex-
> > > > > Army schmuck with a broken licence plate.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > READ THE JAYNA DAVIS BOOK, The Third 
> > > > >
> > 
> Terrorist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > There you go again misusing the word "defense".  Here's a 
> clue for
> > > > > > you.  DEFENSE never includes attacking someone first.  It 
> NEVER
> > > > > > includes starting unprovoked wars like the one in Iraq.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Nobody....I repeat....NOBODY who supports using the U.S. 
> Military 
> > > > > to
> > > > > > take part in wars against those who have not directly 
> attacked us 
> > > > > is a
> > > > > > libertarian.  I don't care when they were in the party.  I 
> don't 
> > > > > care
> > > > > > if they started the party.  THEY ARE NOT LIBERTARIANS!!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg"
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > Question for ya Paul.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Throught the 1970s and 1980s within the Libertarian 
> Party there 
> > > > > was a 
> > > > > > > very active and popular group called the Libertarian 
> Defense 
> > > > > Caucus.  
> > > > > > > It was headed up by Mike Dunn or Washington State.  It 
> included 
> > > > > > > prominent Libertarians like Earl Ravenal and Bob Poole.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The LDC was a "Pro-Defense" Libertarian group, which 
> > > > > enthusiastically 
> > > > > > > supported SDI, and a Strong Military to fight the 
> Communists.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The LDC operated well-within the guidelines of the 
> Libertarian 
> > > > > Party 
> > > > > > > and were a very well accepted group within the LP, even 
> by
> > those 
> > > > > who 
> > > > > > > vehemently disagreed with them.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Seeing as you are Anti-Defense, would you have had the 
> LNC kick 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > LDC out of the LP?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Actually it's a concise and straightforward 
> description of
> > the 
> > > > > truth.
> > > > > > > >  It's reality whether you choose to admit it or not 
> and it 
> > > > > remains a
> > > > > > > > fact regardless of how much you dislike it.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Deus Ex Machina 
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > There are absolutely NO actual libertarians who 
> support 
> > > > > the war 
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > Iraq.  Supporting the war in Iraq automatically 
> > > > > disqualifies you.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > its a tautology. its in fact not related to reality. 
> sorry.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Vic
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ForumWebSiteAt  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian  
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >




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