Ok, now compare it what they have now. I do not think you know the art situation under Communism in Russia. This account is very shallow. Baryshnikov was a second rate dancer in Russia, did you know that? Not because of his views, but because there were others who could dance just better. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: gclark809 To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:29 PM Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....
This description of artistic freedom in the Soviet Union comes from that well known right wing source -- PBS. The Soviet Union's Communist leadership stifled any creative activity that did not adhere to its ideological standards, or which betrayed the slightest hint of dissent. Those who did not toe the party line faced imprisonment, internal exile, or confinement in mental hospitals. The situation was similar in the Soviet Union's satellite nations in Eastern Europe and in other Communist nations, like Cuba. In the decades of Cold War following World War II, the United States welcomed hundreds of creative refugees from the communist world. Some, like writer Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, were exiled by the Soviet government; others, like dancers George Balanchine and Mikhail Baryshnikov, defected or otherwise managed to escape from their communist homelands. http://www.pbs.org/destinationamerica/usim_wy_05.html --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The difference between art in Russia and art in USA was that art in Russia was done and expected to be done for the art sake or to motivate people to be altruistic. Thus the government felt that it should not serve to express political protests. They cared for classical art and like most people everywhere believed that art should be beautiful, not show ugliness. > In USA art is made for the sake of money and artist is judged but his financial success. Thus there is no art at all, but a commercial mass products called art. In Russia artists were well taken care of. They had grants, stipends, free housing and medical care, free critics and applause for their spiritual endeavors. There is hardly any genuine American art, most what we have comes from immigrants or is transplanted from Europe. > Most we have is a kitsch called art. > You cannot compare the Kirow ballet as it was in 50' to the same ballet today, when finally free to fully express themselves. Now it is at best mediocre. Commercialism kills art. > So, are artists are going to be protected in the libertarian capitalistic society? As you realize, true artists can rarely be good capitalists, or even know how to make living. > Anna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry L Parker > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:46 PM > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > I'm an 'art bureaucrat' and I'm here to 'help' you :) > > -TLP > > > --- In [email protected], "hrearden_hr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Under Soviet communism art was only what the state said was art. > > Artist in the USSR were only artist if the state said they were > > artists. Communism kills art. Art would thrive in a capitalist > > system. Art is what the individual says it is, not what the state > > says it is. > > > > $ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Under communism, art flourished. For example, neither Bolshoi > > Ballet nor Kirow could ever achieve the artistic excellence they > had > > when they were not "free". What killed art, was capitalism, or > > rather a change of goals, from a spiritual/artistic, to PROFITS > > FIRST. > > > Do you think USA has culture? > > > Please note, that culture is a foundation of every enlightened > > society. > > > Anna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: mark robert > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:42 AM > > > Subject: RE: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > > > > > > > Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > A gold-based economy is yet another topic. For purposes of this > > > discussion, money is a scorecard for the amount of > goods/services > > > produced. In that sense, capitalism "values" art; artists are > > > some of the richest people. Are you also trying to say that this > > > system doesn't value the spiritual? Wrong again. Capitalism > > > values anything that people value - the more free the market, > the > > > less the difference. If you disagree, please point to > > > non-capitalist places that have bigger churches or more people > > > with more time and money to pursue all sorts of traditional and > > > non-traditional "spiritual" goals. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > This would be only correct if money was backed by the real > goods. > > > > > > Otherwise money is as good as the paper it is written one. > > > This is actually the situation that USA is now in. > > > > > > What about other values? A good model must also acknowledge > > > spiritual needs. > > > Where does an artist fit in your society? > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS E government Libertarian E government > > strategy > > > Libertarian party E government procurement > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > - > > ----------- > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Libertarian" on the web. > > > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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