Anna, so each person can VOLUNTEER to support what ever each decides is art; individually OR collectivly via associations.
Better than mercantilist robber barons and/or govt bureaucrats? -Terry Liberty Parker http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > < What do you think of the third choice I referenced: each > individual artists supported via VOLUNTEERED > contributions by individual members of a LIBERTARIAN society? > > > Yes, this would be an ideal solution. But there had to be some rules too. In the past, art was supported by the rich people, usually religious or other aristocracy. > Nevertheless, the sponsor had the right to decide, commission, and order what was and what was not be acceptable. > Michelangelo was famous for being a rebel and he would argue when told what to do. > But, let's face it- the art he had created under this criticism is magnificent. > So, I do not see much problem with certain censorship. If art does not serve a purpose to illuminate human souls, then it is not art, and should be rejected as someone's personal fancy. > Anna > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry L Parker > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:49 PM > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > Anna, the money used by govt to pay the artists is stolen. > > The choice is not just between money stolen by socialist govt > or money stolen by mercantilist robber barons. > > What do you think of the third choice I referenced: each > individual artists supported via VOLUNTEERED > contributions by individual members of a LIBERTARIAN society? > > After all, if people can't be trusted to make such choices, > who could you trust to make the choice for them? > > One more point: you and I have NO 'moral' authority to > decide what is, or is not, art worthy of support by anyone > other than you and I :) > > Voilating this principle polutes the spirituality of art > thus supported. > > > -Terry Liberty Parker > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Terry, true art is never determined by anyone but one's honest > endeavors. Regardless of the system an artist lives in. > > Russian art was superior not because the themes were or were not > determined, but because it promoted beauty and spirituality. > > In fact, most literature published in Russia was profitless. > Government paid to publish and also paid the artist fully knowing it > will bring little in return. > > Art was promoted at every level, from factories where the free > opera tickets were passed to the workers, to public museums, > performances and galleries. All financed by the government. There > were even special homes for artists where they could write or > compose away from family stress. > > At the same time, Russian education was also free and one of the > best in the world. > > > > Artists have to be protected in every system, because is important > for social health. > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Terry L Parker > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:00 PM > > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > > > > Anna, would art be better if determined by art bureaucrats, > > mercantilist robber barons or free spirited individuals > > whose personal autonomy is secure? > > > > -Terry Liberty Parker > > See what I wrote in > > Envision UNIVERSAL Libertarianism! > > at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/42500 > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > How do you know this? Were you ever an artist living in > communistic > > Russia? > > > Anna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: hrearden_hr > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:31 PM > > > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Under Soviet communism art was only what the state said was > art. > > > Artist in the USSR were only artist if the state said they > were > > > artists. Communism kills art. Art would thrive in a > capitalist > > > system. Art is what the individual says it is, not what the > state > > > says it is. > > > > > > $ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Under communism, art flourished. For example, neither > Bolshoi > > > Ballet nor Kirow could ever achieve the artistic excellence > they > > had > > > when they were not "free". What killed art, was capitalism, > or > > > rather a change of goals, from a spiritual/artistic, to > PROFITS > > > FIRST. > > > > Do you think USA has culture? > > > > Please note, that culture is a foundation of every > enlightened > > > society. > > > > Anna > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: mark robert > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:42 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A gold-based economy is yet another topic. For purposes > of > > this > > > > discussion, money is a scorecard for the amount of > > goods/services > > > > produced. In that sense, capitalism "values" art; artists > are > > > > some of the richest people. Are you also trying to say > that > > this > > > > system doesn't value the spiritual? Wrong again. > Capitalism > > > > values anything that people value - the more free the > market, > > the > > > > less the difference. If you disagree, please point to > > > > non-capitalist places that have bigger churches or more > people > > > > with more time and money to pursue all sorts of > traditional > > and > > > > non-traditional "spiritual" goals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > This would be only correct if money was backed by the > real > > goods. > > > > > > > > Otherwise money is as good as the paper it is written one. > > > > This is actually the situation that USA is now in. > > > > > > > > What about other values? 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