Ok, but what will you do then about the poor and the parasites? If hungry, they will be dangerous. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:54 PM Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....
There is no such thing as "free" medical care. It costs. I'll head you off before you get to the direction you're going. NOBODY is owed anything...not food....not shelter...not medical care...not anything simply based on their needs. Medical care should be unhampered by government. People should be free to take whatever medicines they choose if they've obtained them honestly. Anyone should be able to offer medical help to those in need regardless of whether or not they've been certified by the government or the AMA to do so. The FDA should be completely abolished. With government completely out of the medical business (medicare, medicaid, regulations on insurance companies, etc), the prices would fall through the floor, and even the most poor would be able to afford healthcare when in need. Though we'd have a lot less poor people if this happened because we'd have more prosperity and more jobs. Socialism is always a failure. The closer you get to socialism the worse off you are. Socialized medicine is a nightmare. --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, but let's talk now about medical care. Should it be free? > Anna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:26 PM > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > The number of kids they have is irrelevant. If the pay is not what > they are willing to accept, they don't have to accept it. If they > earn enough to support one child and they have 10, perhaps they should > contact an adoption agency. In either case it has absolutely nothing > to do with what their labor is worth. If I own a company and I offer > too little for a job, I won't find any qualified people to fill the > position. If I offer more, I'll be able to pick and choose whom I > want because I'll have an abundant source of candidates. If I find 2 > qualified people to fill a job and one of them has one child and the > other has 10 children, it has nothing to do with the job. I will see > which of them is willing to take what I'm offering. If one will not > because he has 10 kids and he can't support them with the salary I'm > offering, I'll hire the guy who will take what I'm offering. > > There has been no force, coercion, theft, fraud, or harm to anyone in > any way. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yes, but how do you prevent exploitation of the needy ones? One > person may have 10 kids to support, another 1. > > When they apply for the job, the pay offered may be good enough > for a single kid parent, but not the other parent. > > Would you say then the choice of having so many kids means that a > person chooses to be poorer? > > Anna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Paul > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:59 PM > > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > > > > WE don't decide. THEY do. If they apply for a job and are offered a > > job, they can negotiate with the business what their salary is worth > > based on their skills, education, and experience. If the business > > isn't offering what they want, they don't have to take it. They can > > apply somewhere else. If they accept the offer, they are agreeing > > that this is the value of their labor. > > > > The market and free will determine the value. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Mark, some people may need a job, any job and this gives a chance > > for abuse by employers. > > > So my question was, how we decide the values and worth? > > > > > > Anna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: mark robert > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:07 AM > > > Subject: RE: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > > > > > > > Ana, > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to go ask the two who are engaged in the business > > > relationship. I assume you will be told "yes". Or save yourself > > > the effort and deduce your answer by observing their actions - if > > > it's not just, why would we be voluntarily doing it? > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > This is the whole issue: > > > Is the physical work worth more than thinking or doing deals? > > > The same? > > > You claim that the guy who does the thinking deserves to get > > > more. > > > This means that the worker's effort in building the house is > > > worth less than the guy's who did not lift a finger doing the > > > construction job. > > > Is it just? > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS E government Libertarian E government strategy > > > Libertarian party E government procurement > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > YAHOO! 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