Quoting Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Shawn, there is only one determining factor to see if you are > genuinely a libertarian. > > Real libertarians support the non-aggression principle. It means you > never use force, violence, or coercion against anyone who has not used > it against you first. This is the guiding principle of libertarians > and our core value. >
False. I have the right to use any necessary force against anybody who initiates force against another. The right of defense extends to defense of others against initiation of force. > I'll give you an example. Let's look at an issue or two that's been > in the news. How about gay marriage? > > Libertarians believe that no crime has been committed unless the > person, property, or rights of a non-consenting other have been > violated by the actions of someone. > > If 2 gay people are married it causes no harm to anyone other than > perhaps those who are voluntarily involved in it. Libertarians would > be against the use of government force to prevent these people from > being married. We'd also be against using force to take your money in > the form of taxes to fund it. The same is true of abortion, drug use, > gambling, prostitution, suicide, and other consensual acts. > I have the right to defend my nephew by any necessary means if my sister-in-law wants to kill him. Libertarians are divided on abortion, between pro-life libertarians (those of us who hold the correct and real libertarian view) and pro-abortion-on-demand "libertarians" (who condone the senseless murder of babies who have initiated no force against anybody.) > Nobody is saying these things are a good idea; just that we don't have > the individual right to force people not to do these things, and > therefore can't grant such power to government. It would be wrong to > use force against someone whose actions don't violate our person, > rights, or property. > > > > --- In [email protected], "shawn.groover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Hello everyone! >> >> My name is Shawn, i am 30 something and from South Carolina. I am > plain spoken, so please send any replies in plain talk. I admire the > Philadelphia lawyer types, but i cannot always digest the lagal > jargain i see on sites like this. >> >> Ok, i think that i would make a good Libertarian, but i am not sure. >> >> Heres the stuff that i believe in and how i believe things should be: >> >> 1-FOR the Fair Tax movement >> >> 2-PRO gun >> >> 3-Leave the pot smokers alone and light crimes for light offenders. > NO overkill! >> >> As of right now, i am Republican and vote as such. >> >> How am i doing so far? >> >> What are some other characteristics of belonging here? >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
