Ok. Whatever. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:31 PM Subject: objective vs subjective Re: [Libertarian] Re: Socialism/Capitalism of the Author
Once again, you prove yourself entirely clueless about physics and all science for that matter. Gravity is consistant and is based on the distance you are to an object and the mass that object holds. Claiming it isn't consistant because the effects are weaker away from an object than they are close to the object proves total ignorance of the subject. --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It cannot be. A law is based on consistency. > Fact is that in space, away from matter's influence, gravity almost ceases. The reason it does not cease completely is that the vacuum is never empty but consists of energy. At the same time when gravity diminishes, time lengthens. > On another note, some astronomers and physicists suggested that gravity is nothing more than a static electricity. In any event, it is a local phenomena. Most of our ideas about the gravitational black holes are already proved to be wrong when it was found out that they do let out the new energy. This of course is unexplainable if we treat gravity as a force and black holes as the ultimate pools of gravity. > > I would like you to reflect on a word 'matter'. > Matter and mater and mother all mean the same. They give birth to consciousness. We may argue if a particle needs a brain to be conscious, but then isn't every atom a model of a basic brain? To have a functioning mind all is required that is is capable of consciousness which is an ability to make a distinction between Yes and No, and Memory. Of course, this could be all programmed into a computer, no problem. But there is something what comuters cannot have and that is emphaty. The difference between artificial life forms and 'natural' is a sense of MORALITY as expression of conscience. > A robot does not feel or sense what is right or wrong, but acts according to its program. Humans instinctively feel what is right and wrong. I can envision a computer deciding that a fetus is not a human being or a person due to his mechanical definitions, but in a case of real humans it is unforgivable. > A man is supposed to know the good from evil. If we don't, then who are we ? > Having life yet not respecting it, is a main cause of wars and violence. It is ignorance, all right. But the costs of this ignorance are enormous. > > Anna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mark robert > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:42 PM > Subject: RE: objective vs subjective Re: [Libertarian] Re: Socialism/Capitalism of the Author > > > Anna, > > > > I think gravity is a universal law. The whole universe reacts to > its influence in ways that are consistently predictable through > mathematical calculations. Would you call a couple hundred > million light years "local"? That's about the size of the Virgo > Galaxy Cluster. It is a cluster precisely because gravity holds > its couple-thousand galaxies together. Think "very large solar > system". > > > > But I'm no surer that that addresses your statements about > gravity than I am sure I understand what you are saying about > existence, mind, consciousness, etc. One of us is very confused - > me, or you and your great big picture: > > ------------- > > Gravity is not a uniform law, except it acts on the whole > universe - > > Gravity only acts on the local level, but "local" means whole > universe - > > There are no universal laws except those that concern mind and > consciousness - > > AND those which protect life - > > There's no universe, so nothing really exists except mind and > consciousness - > > AND incoming information - > > AND fetuses, which are persons - > > AND everything that shares with something else - > > AND Earth, oil, food water, clouds, moisture, sunshine, fruit, > air - > > AND doomed societies - > > AND bad dictionaries. > > ------------ > > Now, give me some non-existent time to make some non-existent > sense out of all that. > > > > -Mark > > > > > > _____ > > > > <What would you prefer to call > it?> > > A property of a graviton to create bonds in neutrino collisions. > A law must be uniform to call it a law. Gravity is not a > constant and acts on a local level only. > By local I mean a formal term meaning a 'closed' universe which > is our world. Since everything is relative, from a point of view > of the outsider, or a non-local position, our reality will seem > totally different, as so the laws. If there are any laws in the > universe they can only concern consciousness which perceives it. > Thus what we call laws, are the laws of mind , as the mental > tools for a creation of reality out of the incoming data as > received by the senses. > A belief that only what one sees with his eyes is true is a > fallacy. It is not the eyes that see anything, it is the mind > reading incoming information and creating it as a 3D structure. > Mind can receive information from plenty of other sources and by > other means, like instant mind to mind communication, which had > been partially proved in physics as the particle entanglement. > Not knowing how consciousness works often leads to such mistakes > as you make by claming that unless a baby is physically OUT, it > is a property of the container and the feeding tube [ in form of > a mother]. > But if we chose such attitude, then all life is parasitic. > Period. You are a parasite regardless if you are inside another > person or not. But it does not have to sound this way if we > change the negative term into a positive, because only then we > can see some sense in what is happening. Instead of a parasitism, > we could use the word SHARING. > In fact, everything that exists shares something with everything > else. You depend on the earth's from oil to food to water to > survive; on clouds to give the moisture, on sun to shine, on > trees to give fruit. You take the air, yet do you make it? > > Since for realizing existence we need consciousness, it is self > evident that the only rule in nature is to protect life as the > manifestation of consciousness. > This ought to be the axiom number one in any social system one > would like to propose. A society which does not protect life but > death is doomed to failure. > The idea that a fetus is not a person because he is inside > another person, creates a prohibition on a place where one must > be in order to be called a person. I also think you need to > rethink your definition of a parasite. Some dictionaries should > do the same as they still represent the narrow materialstic > thinking of the post- Victorian era. Humans of the 21 century > should have more evolved consciousness. 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