It's obvious that the moral prohibiton of unwarrented physical assualt and/or theft is a value held in COMMON by MANY; not just the EXCLUSIVE province of Christians!
-Terry Liberty Parker http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian --- In [email protected], "geofgibson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Logic and intellect are essential for any rational philosophy. > > I think common sense is a subjective phenomena, since Marx would claim that > collectivism is common sense based on his theory of historical > inevitability. > > > > Regarding the Founders, they only way I could buy that their morality is not > based on Judeo Christian principles would be if they had no exposure to > these philosophies of any kind. If they had been educated with only Greek > philosophy and been shielded from all else, and developed the government > they did, then I would say their morality is based on Greek principles. > > > > Could someone develop a philosophy like the Founders solely from > introspective analysis? Certainly, and that would be quite a brilliant mind > at that! I think that would only be possible in the total absence of the > knowledge of the wealth of Western philosophy. > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of mark robert > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Libertarian] Re: Fwd: The "W" In Christmas > > > > Geof, > > > > Regarding your last question: Do you not acknowledge that > ethics/morality can come from common sense / intellect / logic > alone? > > > > -Mark > > > > _____ > > > > I can buy most of your reasoning. > > The only thing I have trouble with is that you try to deny that > Western > morality is based on Judeo Christian principles. > > Not to kill, not to steal, not to covet the private property of > your > neighbor. All these things are the basis of the ethics of life > and liberty. > > These colonies, and the states which they became were settled by > Puritans. > They were versed in the Calvinist and Lutheran traditions which > opposed the > need for priests and Popes to achieve grace and salvation. > > Thomas Paine spoke out against the churches of nations. That is > exactly > what the 1st Amendment was designed to prevent. Of that, there > is no doubt. > They may not have based the law on the Bible as law, but that > heritage is > what formed their morality. > > To then infer that the Founders morality is not based on their > own Judeo > Christian heritage, as followers of Christ, not the Christian > church makes > no sense. > > Their morality did not spring from some pagan well. > > > > For the sake of argument, if they intended to completely discount > the > teachings of Christ and the Deity as a source of morality, then > from whence > does Western morality and ethics come? > > _____ > > > > > _____ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ForumWebSiteAt HYPERLINK > "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian"http://groups.yahoo.com/g roup/Lib > ertarian > > > > > _____ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "HYPERLINK > "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian"Libertarian"; on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HYPERLINK > "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] subject=Unsubscribe"Libertar > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the HYPERLINK > "http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/"Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > _____ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.10/218 - Release Date: 1/2/2006 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.10/218 - Release Date: 1/2/2006 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
