STOP your ad hominem in this forum!
Owner/moderator, -Terry Liberty Parker http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian --- In [email protected], "Edward J. Williamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > Doesn't Geoff sound alot like this Anna broad that was posting here a > while ago? LOL Another person who thinks existence depends on > someone perceiving it. Obviously this person has a tenuous grasp of > metaphysics and epistimology at best. > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Natural law exists whether or not there are people to observe it. > > This isn't a "higher power" but it does mean we have morality > without > > a higher power. There's no need for anything "above" or "beyond" > > humanity for morality to exist. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Geof Gibson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > True. What I was getting at is that morality can either be > objective > > > or relative. > > > If it is objective, then it exists outside the material world. > This > > is > > > the Platonic view as opposed to a Nietzschean view of moral > relativism. > > > As such, objective morality could exist without a supreme being, > but > > > cannot be atheist. There has to be a higher plane where morality > is > > > beyond subjective human conventions. The creator does not need to > > be a > > > supreme being in the monotheistic sense, but does need to be > beyond > > the > > > human, material plane. > > > > > > This quote from Ayn: > > > "My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic > being, > > > with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with > > > productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his > only > > > absolute."Â > > > > > > is not strictly objectivist as it depends on man's subjective > view of > > > his own happiness. > > > > > > I'm NOT trying to claim Ayn's philosophy is not objective, so > save the > > > hate mail. I'm just saying that, if she defines her philosophy > this > > > way, it is not strictly objective. She has described her > metaphysics > > > as objective reality, but her ethics, which would be where > morality > > > falls, as self interest, which is entirely subjective. > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
