Ack, Urmas your still here... I thought I would only have to talk to 
Paul.. wich doesn't require much thought... What are your feelings 
thought on the base issue that this stemmed from... can there be a 
partial libertarian?

As for the points, your very right on the difference between China 
and Russia. As for the Bolshevik affair, I was not speaking soley 
about the leadership, I mean every single litle red soldier there 
was, did they envision the same end goal as those leaders? Was not 
the marxist ideal for the state to eventualy wither away and 
disapear threw socialism. Lenin's tune changed a great deal when he 
came to power, and continued to change as he menuevered to maintain 
that power.

With out any stories or poorley thought out analogies, I say this 
Urmas, for any real tangible success in the American Libertarian 
party, it needs to reach out to the moderate centrist minded massess 
with compromise. Liberals and Conservatives compromise, no matter 
how ripe the US political enviroment is for change and a third party 
to step in, if Libertarians are unwilling to compromise with the 
American people, they will not be that third party and will never 
reach more than marginal success. That is what I want to say, 
unfortunatly there is just something about paul that makes me go 
insane and draws me into rediculous arguments... Can you comment on 
that line of thought for me Urmas, as I always have valued your 
opinion.





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