Well if the non agreesion principle does not exist for those people 
they should stop calling themselfes libertarian. Maybe libertarian 
like, Classic liberal or maybe neoliberal since many want expanded 
state powers that even  Classic liberals would not accept. A classic 
liberal would be for taxes, a lot of them for land taxes and or 
traiffs, they often would be for eminet domain for necessary public 
use but would be shocked at what passes for necessary and publicuse 
today, some were for funding public schools or subsidizing private 
schools they probally would approve of vouchers but probally would  
be shocked at spending 7.000 to15,000 per 
student.                           
       Adam Smith, John Locke, Bastait, FA Hayek and Ludwiq Von Mises 
were Classic Liberal. Lysander Sponner was libertarian except in the 
case of sugeesting the John Brown up raising would have been ok to 
kill slave master's children. Milton Friedman and many of the 
proposals put out by the Cato Institute are neoliberal, The Heritage 
Foundation is more neoconservative as is the American Enterprise 
Foundation. Mises.org and Lew Rockwell.com are mostly libertarian but 
are not libertarian and lead towards conservatism on some of their 
immigration policy papers.   --- In 
[email protected], "Victor Bozzo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> All,
> 
> Can someone please explain to me how allowing Government to 
forcibly taking land for 'public' use squares
> with the NAP that I here Libertarians supporting and I am relating 
this back to the discussion with the Police in Houston wanting to put 
cameras in Public places which is nothing more than forcibly taken 
land but seems ignored in the whole discussion as to whether the 
placing of cameras on public property is acceptable or not.
> 
> I realize that the Constitution 'allows' for the forcible taking of 
land (and please don't belabor me with the just compensation part as 
this is irrelevant when faced with the choice of giving up your land 
or undergoing an expensive legal battle).
> 
> Nonetheless when Governments forcibly take private property they 
are in violation of the NAP and certainly in violation of the spirit 
of the Constitution which was designed (no Forcible Government can 
protect you but I digress) to protect people's rights and foremost 
their property rights.
> 
> Any thoughts on this?
> 
> As far as I can tell the Non Aggression Principle is Non Existent 
for most Libertarians.
> 
> In Liberty,
> 
> Vic
> 
> "Anarcho-capitalism is a view that regards all forms of the state 
as unnecessary and harmful, particularly in matters of justice and 
self-defense, while being highly supportive of private property. It 
synthesizes certain ideas from the tradition of classical liberalism 
(see libertarianism) and arguably from individualist anarchism as 
well. It opposes "traditional" anarchism on the issue of private 
property; while anarchists such as libertarian socialists and 
individualist anarchists reject all property beyond personal 
possessions as a form of authority, anarcho-capitalism embraces the 
established forms of property as an element of liberty."--Anarcho-
capitalism: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
> 
> 
> 
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