Well, that is exactly what I am arguing. For the purchase, import, and resale of foreign goods to be a "privilege" that means someone gets to determine who has the privilege and who does not. It gives someone else the right to determine the rules that bind such privileges, to use violence as a method of enforcing said rules, and to look the other way when those they favor bend or break the rules. I am surprised that Paul would use such an argument and not give any explanation for it except to emphasize "PRIVILEGE" as if emphasis equals superior argument. Cory terry12622000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it is your property and you have a right to sell it, keep it or give it away.--- In [email protected], Cory Nott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You mean something I bought and paid for overseas is not my property and I don't have any right to sell it here or elsewhere? > > > > Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Selling foreign goods in America IS NOT A RIGHT....it is a PRIVILEGE. > > > > --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@> > wrote: > > > > Buying and selling is a right if both the buyer and seller agreed, > > the government has no right to say the seller can not sell or the > > buyer buy goods and services that do not harm non contractual > > parties. Now true if every property owner has the right to secde from > > the government a tax could be a membership fee and actually a users > > fee not a tax. If there was a fee on both imports and exports if the > > secding merchant wished to trade with people in the US they would > > still be paying the tax, if they traded only with foreign companies > > yet the foreign companies traded with the US the seceding merchant > > would be paying the tax indirectly but if they did not trade with the > > US or their trades with others can not connected with the US then > > they will not pay the tax. > > Outside trade may not be a problem with those that live on the > > border or on the coast but it might for landlock property > > owners. > > Still it could be argued that the US or a state has no right to > > landlock a property owner unless the property owner is a clear > > security risk. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > No. That isn't what I said. Perhaps you should read it again. > > > > > > I will go on record as saying, "Not all taxation is theft and not > > all > > > taxation is force." > > > > > > I consider any tax on your rights to be an act of force. I do not > > > consider extremely low and flat rate tariffs that do not hamper the > > > ability of people to trade in America to be initiating force. You > > can > > > speak to any nobel prize winning economist you like to see if 3% > > > hampers their ability to trade. People do NOT have the RIGHT to > > bring > > > goods into America to sell in our markets. This is a PRIVILEDGE, > > not > > > a right. > > > > > > Usage fees & excise taxes can be avoided by not using those services > > > and tariffs can be avoided by purchasing goods made in America. > > This > > > means there is no force what-so-ever. If you CHOOSE to buy imported > > > goods, you CHOOSE to willingly pay the extremely low tariffs > > > associated with it. The overall price of the product does not go > > up, > > > and in fact compared to our current tariffs, it would most likely > > go down. > > > > > > I say using tariffs and excise taxes (which are not the initiation > > of > > > force) we can fund 100% of the Constitutional parts of government. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Paul <ptireland@> > > > > > Also, as far as funding a limited government, it can be funded > > > > > completely without taxing income, but not completely without > > taxation. > > > > > This is the true dilemma of real libertarianism (aka...NOT > > > > > anarchy). > > > > > > > > So then according to you, initiating a little force is ok if it is > > > only a little force and for a good cause? > > > > > > > > BWS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > English language Political parties Online dictionary American politics > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "Libertarian" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
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