My argument is completely accurate and wholly libertarian.
--- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cory, I don't know what Paul is basing his argument on but it is not > a libertarian argument, so he is wrong from a libertarian stand > point.--- In [email protected], Cory Nott <corynott@> > wrote: > > > > To reshape your argument so that I understand it better, you are > saying that the property that I OWN, that may have come from offshore > or another country or wherever, I cannot SELL without someone > granting me the PRIVILEGE to do so. Therefore, I do not have the > RIGHT to dispose of my property in the manner I see fit. I can be > prevented, by legal FORCE, from a PEACEFUL activity. Is that correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul <ptireland@> wrote: > > If you buy property somewhere else you have the right to bring it > here > > for your own use, but not to sell it here. If you want to bring > goods > > from foreign countries into America, that is a PRIVILEGE, not a > right. > > > > I can't speak for other countries. Perhaps, like America, you could > > sell the goods you bought in the country in which you bought them > > without a tariff, but the standard procedure for our country and > every > > other country is that when you bring foreign goods into a local > > market, you pay for the PRIVILEGE. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Cory Nott <corynott@> wrote: > > > > > > You mean something I bought and paid for overseas is not my > property > > and I don't have any right to sell it here or elsewhere? > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul <ptireland@> wrote: > > > Selling foreign goods in America IS NOT A RIGHT....it is a > > PRIVILEGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Buying and selling is a right if both the buyer and seller > agreed, > > > > the government has no right to say the seller can not sell or > the > > > > buyer buy goods and services that do not harm non contractual > > > > parties. Now true if every property owner has the right to > secde from > > > > the government a tax could be a membership fee and actually a > users > > > > fee not a tax. If there was a fee on both imports and exports > if the > > > > secding merchant wished to trade with people in the US they > would > > > > still be paying the tax, if they traded only with foreign > companies > > > > yet the foreign companies traded with the US the seceding > merchant > > > > would be paying the tax indirectly but if they did not trade > with the > > > > US or their trades with others can not connected with the US > then > > > > they will not pay the tax. > > > > Outside trade may not be a problem with those that live on the > > > > border or on the coast but it might for landlock property > > > > owners. > > > > Still it could be argued that the US or a state has no > right to > > > > landlock a property owner unless the property owner is a clear > > > > security risk. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No. That isn't what I said. Perhaps you should read it > again. > > > > > > > > > > I will go on record as saying, "Not all taxation is theft and > not > > > > all > > > > > taxation is force." > > > > > > > > > > I consider any tax on your rights to be an act of force. I > do not > > > > > consider extremely low and flat rate tariffs that do not > hamper the > > > > > ability of people to trade in America to be initiating > force. You > > > > can > > > > > speak to any nobel prize winning economist you like to see if > 3% > > > > > hampers their ability to trade. People do NOT have the RIGHT > to > > > > bring > > > > > goods into America to sell in our markets. This is a > PRIVILEDGE, > > > > not > > > > > a right. > > > > > > > > > > Usage fees & excise taxes can be avoided by not using those > services > > > > > and tariffs can be avoided by purchasing goods made in > America. > > > > This > > > > > means there is no force what-so-ever. If you CHOOSE to buy > imported > > > > > goods, you CHOOSE to willingly pay the extremely low tariffs > > > > > associated with it. The overall price of the product does > not go > > > > up, > > > > > and in fact compared to our current tariffs, it would most > likely > > > > go down. > > > > > > > > > > I say using tariffs and excise taxes (which are not the > initiation > > > > of > > > > > force) we can fund 100% of the Constitutional parts of > government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Paul <ptireland@> > > > > > > > Also, as far as funding a limited government, it can be > funded > > > > > > > completely without taxing income, but not completely > without > > > > taxation. > > > > > > > This is the true dilemma of real libertarianism > (aka...NOT > > > > > > > anarchy). > > > > > > > > > > > > So then according to you, initiating a little force is ok > if it is > > > > > only a little force and for a good cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > BWS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > English language Political parties Online > dictionary > > American politics > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > YAHOO! 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