The flaw in this argument is the collectivist one. For there to be a violation of rights, each and every individual who rights are violated must have had their individual rights violated. There are no group rights. There are only individual rights and only individual violations of them.
BWS From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > First I wasn't shouting. I typed in caps for emphasis, so you would > pay attention. The last time I checked, we were typing, and not > speaking. > > Buying 1 camera for yourself is not the same as buying 10,000 cameras > for the purpose of selling in Americans markets and nothing you > say or > do will make it the same. > > Your claims that I'm supporting the initiation of force are utterly > false. I support using force against those who violate the rights, > person, or property of non-consenting others. > > Whether you like it or not, we have borders, and we have a government > and our government is a legitimate one. The valid scope and role of > the government includes defending our person, property, and rights > from infringement by others. > > The flaw in your logic is that you keep referring to bringing goods > from another country into America as a "peaceful activity" when it is > no more a "peaceful activity" than is trespass. If I choose to camp > out in your front yard without your permission and I refuse to go, is > that a "peaceful" activity? I'd say it isn't. It violates the > property rights of the owner. In the case of America, the American > people are the owners, and the government has been entrusted in > securing our borders and keeping out those who would trespass by > selling goods within our borders. > > You asked where we "draw the line" when it comes to "peaceful" > activities. The lines are already drawn and they are on pretty much > any map you can get your hands on. The borders of America are where > we draw the line. > > If you want to bring foreign goods into America for sale in American > markets, you may request permission for this PRIVILEGE. Bringing > goods into America for sale is no more your right than is bringing > American goods into a foreign for sale in their markets....which you > don't unless they allow you the privilege. > > If you want to brew alcohol in your garage, and you can do so without > endangering your neighbors, you're free to do that. If you want to > sell that alcohol inside any American state, you can do that. I > consider any laws regarding the percentage of alcohol in each > state to > be illigitimate. If you want to export your alcohol out of the > country, I don't think the American government has any legitimate say > about what you're exporting or how much you export BUT the country > where the goods are going DOES have a legitimate say. They can > require a tariff on your part, and if you refuse to pay the tariff and > smuggle your goods into the country, you are trespassing against all > the people of that country. ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
