Actually, one COULD have a 'proprietary community' such as a condominieum(sp?) community (gated maybe?) in which the 'home owner's association' regulates activity on premises.
As long as ALL persons and property are in VOLUNTARY association, there is objection to arbitraryness from a UNIVERSAL libertarian perspective. -Terry Liberty Parker 'Real world' experiment in LIBERTARIAN community became famous at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/message/2569 --- In [email protected], Cory Nott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why a nation? Why not a city or a state, or even a neighborhood? Why can't I charge the cars coming down my street a tariff for bringing goods into the neighborhood that they could buy at the local market? > > Sure, it may sound silly, but it's no different from what Paul is arguing. People bringing goods from a market not in our neighborhood are hurting (according to Paul's argument) the people who work at the local market. The only difference is that the US Constitution makes no provision for setting tariffs in such a narrow fashion, so for some reason - according to Paul - that means such a tariff is not libertarian, but it is if the goods are brought from outside the country. > > > mark robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a fascinating thread. I'm torn. > > > > I occasionally attend auction-barn auctions. There are rules for > the audience of potential bidders. One is that no one but the > auctioneer is allowed to sell items on the premises. That means > that a customer can not bring items to sell on the property but > outside of the auction format (without authorization). That > includes casually reselling items he just purchased from the > auctioneer. That's because the auctioneer is there to make a > commission from every sale and has spent money to gather the > crowd of potential buyers. This crowd has value. Of course each > member has self-ownership, but is also a kind of property of the > auction organizers. Theoretically any off-auction selling is > detracting from potential profit intended for the auctioneer. > Besides, the unauthorized seller can always bring in the item(s) > for next week's auction and pay the fee/commission and > potentially make even more profit. The auction barn and the > audience is a resource that cost the auctioneer and unauthorized > use is understandably a violation. Whether the violation is > technically theft or trespass, I can't say. If you offer a > valuable venue for the distribution of goods for a rental fee, > anyone who uses it without paying the rent is guilty of some kind > of aggression. The kind of aggression is less central. More > central is whether a nation, since it is technically not a > private enterprise, can be seen as a similar kind of provider of > such a venue and can charge a fee/commission for use. The cost of > the venue provider would be infrastructure and defending it > against invasion, etc. Maybe I'm talking more about sales tax > than tariffs, but maybe the principle is the same. I truly don't > know. I see both sides. Keep talking. > > > > > > ************ > {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to vote > "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement with the > case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions. > There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to arrive at a > unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and fulfill > its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government and > unjust lawsuits. > See www.fija.org > [Please adopt this as your own signature.] } > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'd answer your loaded question, but it is misworded. > > No. It is perfectly worded. > > > I don't support the initiation of force to mandate a buyer or > seller to pay the > > government a tax on the sale of those goods. > > Then how do you propose to take what does not belong to you in > the first place. > > > I support using government to prevent the initiation of force > by those who would > > trespass against the American people by bringing foreign goods > into > > this country without paying a fee for the privilege; a fee that > > rightfully belongs to all of the American people. > > There is no trespass. You have failed to prove in any way that > there is. > > > > Now, answer my question. > > > > How, in a Libertarian society, do you have the right to > initiate force > > against other Americans in the form of trespass and theft by > bringing > > goods into American markets in violation of the laws agreed > upon in > > our charter? What gives you the right to trespass or steal > from > > others? > > > A market is created by a buyer and seller - ONLY. If you are > neither you are uninvolved and consequently you are NOT entitled > to anything from it. Where you have no interest, you have no > ownership. Where you have no ownership, there is no trespass > against you. > > You keep claiming some sort of ownership of MY market. I and my > buyers have created this market. You were uninvolved. This > market is a private transaction between my buyers and myself. We > created this market out of nothing and when our transactions are > finished it will go back to nothing. What is your basis for > claiming ownership in what I and my buyers have created without > you being involved. > > > Your consistent attempts to justify your desire to initiate > force > > against other Americans is wholly unlibertarian. > > How is engaging in peaceful commercial transactions in which you > have no stake in or involvement in an initiation of force against > you? > > BWS > > > > > > _____ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Libertarian English language Political parties Online dictionary American politics > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "Libertarian" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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