If you claim that I need to prove that Americans own and control the borders of America, you deny the sovereignty of America and are unreasonable. I don't have to prove it. Look at a map and prove it to yourself. We own the borders. If you want to bring your foreign goods across our borders, you must pay a toll.
--- In [email protected], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > 1. I own the markets, and the government has been granted the power > > to ensure that those who wish to have the privilege of selling foreign > > goods in my markets will pay for it. > > You have stated this. Now where is your proof? Prove that this is the correct position to take. Prove that this is a libertarian way to do things. Prove that this is moral. Prove that you have a legitimate claim to the markets. > > > 2. The transaction between the American buying goods from the Chinese > > guy is of no concern to me. Bringing those goods into America to sell > > them is of concern to me. > > Prove this. > > > 3. The federal government is protecting my property (the markets) by > > exercising the legitimate and limited powers grnated to it in the > > Constitution to charge tariffs to those who want access to the > > American markets. It doesn't matter what the nationality is of the > > person who bought the goods or sold the goods happens to be. It > > doesn't matter whether someone owns goods or what they paid for them. > > All that matters is if they intend to sell foreign goods in the > > American markets, they must pay for the privilege. > > Prove that the markets are your property. > > > Your claims that I, and the rest of the American public don't own the > > markets is laughable and beyond ridiculous. I suppose in your warped > > and twisted little world I can just walk into any country I want and > > start selling anything I want and the government or people of that > > country have absolutely nothing to say about it. > > No, they are not laughable. They are supported by logic, reason, and evidence. And yes, in a moral sense you can do just that. When a government or a Mafia interferes they are initiating aggression. > > > Here in realm of reality, that's not the case. In reality we have > > governments and borders, and the laws in each nation differ, and the > > governments in each nation decide on whether or not they will > > charge a tariff for goods to be imported. In democratic nations those > > governments are chosen by the people who have granted governments this > > power because the people of that country own the markets in that > > country. > > Yes we have governments. And when they commit and act of aggression against an innocent (in this case tariffs) they are guilty of committing a(n) wrong/sin/act of evil. > > BWS > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
