Yes some Americans rightfully own the borders, maybe some Mexicans and Canadians do as well but we as in all Americans do not rightfully own the borders, the maps prove nothing unless you are willing to say power and might always makes right. Just because the federal government claims a power, just because the US constitution grants authority is meaningless to a libertarian because just because someone says they have the power and authority does not make it so.--- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you claim that I need to prove that Americans own and control the > borders of America, you deny the sovereignty of America and are > unreasonable. I don't have to prove it. Look at a map and prove it > to yourself. We own the borders. If you want to bring your foreign > goods across our borders, you must pay a toll. > > > > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote: > > > > From: Paul <ptireland@> > > > 1. I own the markets, and the government has been granted the power > > > to ensure that those who wish to have the privilege of selling foreign > > > goods in my markets will pay for it. > > > > You have stated this. Now where is your proof? Prove that this is > the correct position to take. Prove that this is a libertarian way to > do things. Prove that this is moral. Prove that you have a > legitimate claim to the markets. > > > > > 2. The transaction between the American buying goods from the Chinese > > > guy is of no concern to me. Bringing those goods into America to sell > > > them is of concern to me. > > > > Prove this. > > > > > 3. The federal government is protecting my property (the markets) by > > > exercising the legitimate and limited powers grnated to it in the > > > Constitution to charge tariffs to those who want access to the > > > American markets. It doesn't matter what the nationality is of the > > > person who bought the goods or sold the goods happens to be. It > > > doesn't matter whether someone owns goods or what they paid for them. > > > All that matters is if they intend to sell foreign goods in the > > > American markets, they must pay for the privilege. > > > > Prove that the markets are your property. > > > > > Your claims that I, and the rest of the American public don't own the > > > markets is laughable and beyond ridiculous. I suppose in your warped > > > and twisted little world I can just walk into any country I want and > > > start selling anything I want and the government or people of that > > > country have absolutely nothing to say about it. > > > > No, they are not laughable. They are supported by logic, reason, > and evidence. And yes, in a moral sense you can do just that. When a > government or a Mafia interferes they are initiating aggression. > > > > > Here in realm of reality, that's not the case. In reality we have > > > governments and borders, and the laws in each nation differ, and the > > > governments in each nation decide on whether or not they will > > > charge a tariff for goods to be imported. In democratic nations those > > > governments are chosen by the people who have granted governments this > > > power because the people of that country own the markets in that > > > country. > > > > Yes we have governments. And when they commit and act of aggression > against an innocent (in this case tariffs) they are guilty of > committing a(n) wrong/sin/act of evil. > > > > BWS > > >
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