The reason they hate us is BECAUSE of our foreign intervention in the middle-east which has cost the lives of millions of Muslims. It's not for any other reason. It's not because of our women, our freedom, or any other reason. That is a fact. He probably persists on the truthful and intelligent claim that they hate us due to our foreign policy because it's the truth and he's not a fool.
--- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steven, YOU ARE > SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Wrong. > > For Steven's comment that it's all about our interventions in the > past in the Middle East has just ROYALLY PISSED ME OFF. > > Steven, you and I have met in our past life. We've spoken on the > phone. I find you to be a well-meaning and sincere libertarian. > > WHY IS IT THAT YOU AND OTHERS LIKE YOU PERSIST IN THIS IDIOTIC CLAIM > THAT THE REASON THE MUSLIMS HATE US IS BECAUSE OF OUR FOREIGN > INTERVENTIONS IN THEIR COUNTRY??? > > Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. > > It has little if ANYTHING to do with that. I've lived in the Middle > East (9 months in Bahrain). I speak Arabic. I live in Houston, > which has a large Arabic population, and I work RIGHT SMACK DAB IN > THE MIDDLE OF HOUSTON'S LITTLE SOUTH ASIA (Pakistanis, Jordanians, > Moroccons, Egyptians, et.al). > > They hate us for our Culture, plain and simple. It's all about > Sex. We get it and they don't. > > Young Arab men, particularly non-wealthy Arab men, have little if > any access to women. They are extremely envious of American men who > get sex whenever they want. They watch our movies, they watch MTV, > they watch Britney Spears, and their hormones rage. And rage they > do against Americans who have easy access to sex AND Israelis with > their topless beaches, hot sweaty nightclubs, and Co-ed drinkfests > til the wee hours of the morning. > > Steven DID YOU NOT READ ABOUT THE MURDER OF THEO VAN GOGH IN THE > NETHERLANDS A COUPLE YEARS AGO? Did that have ANYTHING at all to do > with "American troops stationed in Saudi Arabia?" Hell no! That > Murlim murdered Van Gogh because of a film he made supporting rights > of women in the Middle East. Did you not witness what happened in > France back in October with the massive riots by Muslim Youth? Did > that have anything to do with "Americans invading Iraq?" Hell no, > it had everything to do with Muslim youths being shunned by young > French women, and lack of job opportunities for them so that they > could gain more wealth where they could possibly attract young > French women. Do you see what's going on all throughout Europe with > Muslims clammering for bans on topless beaches, ends to legalized > prostitution, and tough drug laws that would send all drug dealers > and users to jail for long sentences? > > Steve, give up this absurd notion that the reason the Muslims hate > us is because of our interventionist foreign policy. IT'S ALL ABOUT > SEX AND CULTURE. > > Imo, any sane libertarian would see that and oppose these authoritarian elements among Muslims with all their 11th Century horrobly repressive views with all their strength. > > > [ModeraterNote: I edited (re-phrased) the above sentence to comply > with, not only this forum's policy, but Yahoo's prohibitions too. > As originally submitted, it was a call for some sort of American > 'Jihad' against ALL Muslims. -TLP ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Cory Nott <corynott@> wrote: > > > > Some years ago my then wife and I knew a nice young woman - very > pretty, very kind at heart. She had alot of personal troubles and > did not pick her men well. Well, the last one she picked got her > into heroin, and one night while out on a drug deal with him they > were both brutally, and, for her, slowly murdered by a drug dealer > they were attempting to buy from. > > > > Did that change my mind on the drug war? Did I suddenly decide > that all drugs are intrinsicly evil and that we should throw more > money and more resources and more lives at the drug war? Should we > put to death all dealers and perhaps even hard core users? Hell no - > if we didn't have our drug laws, there would be no tremendous > profits to be made by the most violent in our society and my friend > might well be alive today. Even if she were hooked on heroin, at > least it would be cheap and clean and not the dangerous stuff that's > cut with all sorts of chemicals and kills people over time. > > > > I feel the same way about 9/11. Why is it that the terrorists > are attacking us? Is it because they "hate freedom"? No, it's > because of western intervention in the Middle East over the last 100 > years. I will grant that I find Islam somewhat worrisome in it's > treatment of non-Muslims and that we should be on guard against > religious extremism and any demands that Islamists or others put on > our legal system. > > > > > > > > Eric Dondero Rittberg <ericdondero@> wrote: > > So Steve, question. > > > > Would your attitude be different if you had had a friend or > relative > > who died in the Twin Towers, at the Pentagon, or on the 4 > airplanes > > on 9/11? > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
