Okay, Paul. Let's follow your reasoning here. If, in your view, our own Government murdered 182 American citizens at Oklahoma City, just what was the motive?
Let alone the fact that there was an FBI contingent stationed at the Murrah Bldg. and many other government employees. Did they just want to maybe get rid of some of their own? And why OKC? Why not a juicier target like Chicago, Philly or NY? --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, I suspect the bombing was perpetrated by the U.S. > Government. Especially since a former FBI chief told me so. I can > also tell you the bomb wasn't made from fertilizer. > > Witnesses don't matter because such accounts are normally unreliable. > People get the race, gender, height, weight, clothing, hair color, > etc. wrong when something big happens like a building blowing up. > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > Ahhhhhhhh, gotcha!! Okay then Paul. What's your theory. Since > > you're admitting they didn't act alone, was it "Nazi extremists from > > Arkansas?" Perfectly plausible actually. After all, McVeigh had > > been in touch with them, and even visited their compound a couple > > months before the bombing. Are you an advocate of this line of > > reasoning? > > > > And btw, just how do you explain the dozen witnesses the day of the > > bombing who claim forthrightly that they saw an "Arab looking man" > > with Tim McVeigh, including and OK City Councilman and his two > > staffers in downtown OK City? > > > > How do you explain the fact that the guy and his wife who rented the > > Ryder Truck to McVeigh saw the same gentleman come into his > > establishment two days before the bombing? > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > You have me on record saying the same thing I said the last time > > you > > > asked. There was absolutely, positively, no Iraqi connection to > > the > > > Oklahoma City bombing. I'm not saying Tim McVeigh and Terry > > Nichols > > > acted alone, because I personally believe they had little to > > nothing > > > to do with the bombing. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I'll try this again Paul. > > > > > > > > Do you wish to go on public record with stating categorically, > > that > > > > in your view Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols acted completely > > alone in > > > > blowing up the Oklahoma City Murrah Fed Bldg? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It wouldn't matter if Iraq murdered 100 million Kuwaitis, that > > > > would > > > > > not be justification for using the U.S. military to get > > involved. > > > > > Also, THERE WAS NO MUSLIM CONNECTION WITH THE OKLAHOMA CITY > > > > > BOMBING....ESPECIALLY NO CONNECTION TO IRAQ!!! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > > > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in one sense. There were far worse > > human > > > > > > rights violations committed in other countries around the > > globe > > > > in > > > > > > the 1980s and 1990s than in Iraq. Sudan, Somalia and > > Ruwanda to > > > > be > > > > > > exact. But of the 3 only Ruwanda tops Hussein's murderous > > > > numbers. > > > > > > And this libertarian believes that it was an ABSOLUTE > > TRAGEDY OF > > > > > > MAGINICENT PROPORTIONS that Bill "Burn them Waco Whackos > > Alive" > > > > > > Clinton was spending so much time in 1994 and 1995 worrying > > > > about > > > > > > how to smash out David Koresh and cover up for the Muslim > > > > connection > > > > > > to the Oklahoma City bombing, that he totally and completed > > > > ignored > > > > > > the massive carnage in Ruwanda. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you asking me if the US was more justified to go into > > > > Ruwanda > > > > > > than Iraq? Yes! > > > > > > > > > > > > But then again, consider that the Huutus never committed > > > > genocide > > > > > > outside of their borders. Hussein did, by brutally > > murdering > > > > > > upwards of 60,000 Kuwaitis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" > > > > > > <uncoolrabbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Far worse human rights issues persist in other countries > > that > > > > are > > > > > > > not assaulted by the US, many US allies even have serious > > > > humans > > > > > > > rights issues, the invasion did not stop human rights > > probelms > > > > in > > > > > > > Iraq and lastley the US has its own human rights issues > > that > > > > it > > > > > > > needs to adress. There is no sense in a justification > > that, > > > > since > > > > > > > your killing your population, we are going to kill them > > now > > > > > > isntead, > > > > > > > while killing our own in the process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladley jump on the side of Liberation over > > Tyranny > > > > but I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > not so naive to think that the Republican wagon is > > Liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero > > Rittberg" > > > > > > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, the US was justified in invading Iraq, for one, and > > one > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > only; the massive human rights violations of Saddam, > > Uday, > > > > Qusay > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > their henchmen. Just as bad as Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge. > > As > > > > the > > > > > > > > world's only remaining superpower it is OUR > > responsibility > > > > to > > > > > > stop > > > > > > > > human genocide on the planet. That is inherently a very > > > > > > > libertarian > > > > > > > > position, and it's amazing many libertarians have chosen > > to > > > > put > > > > > > > > themselves on the side of totalitarian dictators instead > > of > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > side of liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" > > > > > > > > <uncoolrabbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Paul said below contradicts that Iraqi's > > > > statement. > > > > > > > None > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > sadams chemical weapons were found, that includes any > > that > > > > > > made > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > to Syria. It is no secret that Iraq had chemical and > > > > > > biological > > > > > > > > > weapons. The real crime of the administration is > > falsely > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > people to believe IRaq was actively developing new > > > > wweapons, > > > > > > > > > including nuclear ambitions, which was not the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what does the statement have to do with calling > > Paul a > > > > > > liar? > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > Iraqi does not know where they went, only supporting > > Paul > > > > in > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > claim that no WMDs were found in Iraq. It IS a fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aside from the specifics of Pauls statements validity, > > > > what > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > you trying to get at? That the administration is > > justified > > > > in > > > > > > > > > invading Iraq over a past and now dead chemical and > > > > biological > > > > > > > > > weapons program, and that traces off that prgram, > > > > including > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > undestroyed products of that program, products the US > > has > > > > > > aswell > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > has been slowly destroying for years, are all the > > > > > > justification > > > > > > > > > needed, while that same administration tolerated a > > real > > > > > > program > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > develop nuclear weapons in North Korea? This war had > > > > nothing > > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > with Iraq's arsenal, get over it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero > > > > Rittberg" > > > > > > > > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so Paul, you are claiming then that you know > > more > > > > about > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > actually happened to the WMDs than the 2nd in > > Command of > > > > the > > > > > > > > Iraqi > > > > > > > > > > Air Force who a few weeks ago, in an interview, > > stated > > > > > > > > > categorically > > > > > > > > > > that "we shuffled them all off to Syria two months > > > > before > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > invasion..."? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you calling the guy a liar Paul? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" > > <ptireland@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't find anything ridiculous about the > > > > indisputable > > > > > > FACT > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > there were no WMD's found. Not even non-WMDs like > > > > mustard > > > > > > > gas > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > found. Only the components that could be used to > > make > > > > > > > mustard > > > > > > > > > gas > > > > > > > > > > > were found. So once again, NO WMDs WERE FOUND. > > > > That's > > > > > > not > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > attack > > > > > > > > > > > on the President. IT IS A FACT and those who > > claim > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > woefully misinformed or completely dishonest and > > most > > > > > > likely > > > > > > > > Bush > > > > > > > > > > > apologists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Geof Gibson" > > > > > > > > <geofgibson@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Terry L > > Parker" > > > > > > > > > <txliberty@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geof, attack message, NOT messengers, in THIS > > > > forum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Terry Liberty Parker > > > > > > > > > > > > > Owner/moderator, > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry. I try my best to attack ridiculous > > > > arguments > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > personal reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will re-double my efforts to remain impersonal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
