Jim, READ what you wrote! If you're telling me that you arn't able to understand policy well enough for me to trust you, then I will impose moderation. It's done with just a few keystrokes by me. That means that your posts would languish in a que until my half blind eyes can get to them. *IF* you want to continue posting here sans imposed moderation, do not label and/or attack people, and orient your posts to ideas, positions, issues, actions and so on in exploring LIBERTARIANISM pro/con. I prefer that I can trust you to moderater yourself.
-Terry Liberty Parker http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian --- In [email protected], Jim Syler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What? Who? I compliment a friend and I deserve moderation? Perhaps this > isn't a worthwhile forum after all. > > Or is it the "reasonable, intelligent and articulate" labels you object > to? > > On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Terry L Parker wrote: > > > Jim, your attempt to twist the conversation from an examination > > of 'views' into an excuse for labeling people will land you > > on imposed moderation. > > > > Stop it now! > > > > > > -Terry Liberty Parker > > Owner/moderator, > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Jim Syler <Calion@> wrote: > >> > >> Scott is hardly what I would call a "radical libertarian." > > Especially > >> now that he's a Republican and seems to have softened his message a > >> mite. Who's been saying this? Not people in the LPI, I hope. Scott > > is > >> reasonable, intelligent, and articulate. Kudos to him for all he's > >> done. I sincerely hope he runs again. > >> > >> j > >> > >> On Mar 27, 2006, at 5:04 PM, john_teschky wrote: > >> > >>> The word I'm picking up from the voices that may or may not be in > > my > >>> head is that the Bludorn won the regular GOP vote in the primary. > >>> Rumors have it that, especially in the Lake County/Buffalo Grove > >>> precincts (where Mathias shares ethnicity with many voters, and > > where > >>> he was Village President years ago), *groups* of people were > > walking > >>> into the polling places towards the end of the day saying, "I > > want the > >>> ballot with Mathias" on it (as opposed to asking for a Dem or GOP > >>> ballot). Since Bludorn only lost by about 555 votes, it is very > >>> conceivable that it was these last-minute voters, not even sure > > of the > >>> party to which Mathias belonged, who swung the election. > >>> > >>> This information helps put to bed the misguided notion that > > Bludorn's > >>> "radical" libertarian views sunk his campaign. It appears as if > > the > >>> GOP regulars liked and supported his uncompromising libertarian > >>> message, but Mathias's personal network, built up over decades of > >>> professional politicking, swung the election. In a few months, > > after > >>> the polling data has been interpreted, this rumor can be better > >>> validated. > >>> > >>> All of this is too bad for Bludorn, and for the libertarian > > movement > >>> in Illinois. However, from my arrogant point of view, it serves > > the > >>> GOP right. If they want the taxpayers to pay for their selection > >>> process (primaries), then they will suffer defeats such as this. > >>> > >>> Guns and Dope, > >>> John > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Are these people real libertarians or would a better term be > > Classic > >>>> liberal?--- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero > > Rittberg" > >>>> <ericdondero@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Wrong. Absolutely wrong, as a matter of fact. > >>>>> > >>>>> Respected long-time Libertarian activist from Palm Beach, Phil > >>>>> Blumel says that there is absolutely one supporter of > >>>> libertarianism. I believe his name is Bob > >>>>> Collins, or something like that? Recently elected. Attends LP > >>>>> meetings, and is formerly affiliated with the Republican Liberty > >>>>> Caucus. > >>>>> > >>>>> (I may be wrong on the name. I'll check into it.) > >>>>> > >>>>> Phil also says that besides him, there are a few others who are > >>>> very > >>>>> sympathetic to libertarian ideals, and they will be meeting with > >>>>> these legislators a couple weeks from now at the capitol in > >>>>> Tallahassee, to discuss various issues. > >>>>> > >>>>> FYI, there have been libertarian supportive state legislators in > >>>> Florida for many years now. Past libertarian supportive > > legislators > >>>> included: Dick Graham of Ormond Beach, Mark Foley of Palm Beach, > > Tom > >>>> Feeney of Orlando, and a couple more in the Orlando area (can't > >>>> recall their names at the moment.) > >>>>> > >>>>> Oh, and if memory serves some guy from Ft. Walton Beach too. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In [email protected], "hrearden_hr" <HRearden@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There are no libertarians in the FL legislature. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> $ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- In [email protected], "Edward J. Williamson" > >>>>>> <ejohnwilliamson@> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> quote: "BTW, there are at least 20 hardcore libertarians > >>>> serving > >>>>> in > >>>>>>> state > >>>>>>>> legislatures around the country right now as Republicans, > > many > >>>>>>>> affiliated directly with the Libertarian Party, in states > >>>> such > >>>>> as > >>>>>>>> Michigan (!!), California, Florida, Washington, Oregon, Mass, > >>>>> NH and > >>>>>>>> Alaska." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I am familiar with the names of California's state legislators > >>>>> and I > >>>>>>> have not found one that is a Libertarian or has Libertarian by > >>>>> their > >>>>>>> political designation. Not one is a Libertarian. How about > > some > >>>>>>> names? You can't be a Republican and a Libertarian, or a > >>>>> Democrat and > >>>>>>> a Libertarian no more than you can be a conservative or a > >>>>> libertarian > >>>>>>> or a liberal and a libertarian. You are either a Libertarian > > or > >>>>> you > >>>>>>> are not. It is that simple! End of story! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There are absolutely zero libertarians serving in state > >>>>> legislatures > >>>>>>>> or in any other position while in the Republican party. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [ModeratorNote: I slipped up by letting Eric's comment thru, > >>>>>>>> so you get to rebut this once. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> WHO iz or iz not a libertarian is OFF-topic in this forum > >>>>> while > >>>>>>>> WHAT is or is not libertarian is always ON-topic here. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -TLP ] > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > >>>>>>>> <ericdondero@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sounds like you're sympathetic to the libertarian > >>>> Republican > >>>>>>>>> strategy. You may wish to check out the libt. GOP movement > >>>>> at > >>>>>>>>> www.rlc.org or over at Yahoo Libertarian Republican group. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> BTW, there are at least 20 hardcore libertarians serving in > >>>>> state > >>>>>>>>> legislatures around the country right now as Republicans, > >>>>> many > >>>>>>>>> affiliated directly with the Libertarian Party, in states > >>>>> such as > >>>>>>>>> Michigan (!!), California, Florida, Washington, Oregon, > >>>>> Mass, NH > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> Alaska. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> --- In [email protected], "john_teschky" > >>>>> <rockroller@> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Scott is as Libertarian as you, Paul. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> He accomplished much running as a Republican. He stuck > >>>> to > >>>>> his > >>>>>>>>>> Libertarian positions, yet still managed to earn the > >>>>>>> endorsement of > >>>>>>>>>> the local Republican party. If he continues his hard > >>>>> work, he > >>>>>>>>> could > >>>>>>>>>> very well be, eventually, the Ron Paul of Illinois. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> His switch to the GOP also played a big part in shaking > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> Illinois > >>>>>>>>>> LP out of it's dysfunction and begin it's move back > >>>>> towards > >>>>>>>>> effectiveness. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Scott accomplished much for libertarianism in this area > >>>> by > >>>>>>> running > >>>>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>>>> a Republican. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Assuming he actually WAS a libertarian (which is almost > >>>>> never > >>>>>>>>> the case > >>>>>>>>>>> with people YOU describe as libertarians), he sold his > >>>>> soul > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>> hopes > >>>>>>>>>>> of winning and he still lost. What did he accomplish > >>>> by > >>>>>>> running > >>>>>>>>> as a > >>>>>>>>>>> Republican? NOTHING. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero > >>>>> Rittberg" > >>>>>>>>>>> <ericdondero@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In case you guys hadn't heard yet, Libertarian Party > >>>>> member > >>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>> current Republican Scott Bludhorn lost his GOP > >>>> primary > >>>>> race > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> incumbenet 54 to 46% in the Chicago suburbs. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Though, Scott did increase his vote substantially > >>>> from > >>>>> his > >>>>>>> 9% > >>>>>>>>> showing > >>>>>>>>>>>> as an LPer in 2004. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's hope his runs again for the seat in the future. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > >>> Yahoo! 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