On Tuesday, March 28, 2006, at 01:24PM, Terry L Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The aim of the policy is to focus the finite bandwidth of this >forum on exploration of LIBERTARIANISM pro/con > > >I don't claim to have said everything perfectly here, but hope >that I did well enough to get the concept across to those who >are being genuine.
Does this mean 'libertarianism' as YOU define it, so that I am not permitted to make the distinction between those libertarians who do not believe in the non-aggression principle (such as myself) and those that do? Because I refuse to play that game. All I want is a simple label to identify those people who believe in the non-aggression principle other than the word 'libertarian.' If that makes me not welcome here, say so. j >--- In [email protected], Jim Syler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Um........... >> >> I don't understand. >> >> These are not meant to be derogatory labels, merely descriptive >ones. I ~refuse~ to define 'libertarian' as "someone who subscribes >to the non-aggression principle," as I strongly believe that >libertarianism includes (in fact, is the successor to) classical >liberalism. When I say 'real' libertarian or 'NAPster,' I am only >trying to find a convenient label for those people who do subscribe >to the non-aggression principle without (incorrectly in my view) >conflating them with all libertarians. >> >> As Geof has accurately stated (well, implied really), MOST people >in the LP can more accurately be called classical liberals than hard- >core, NAP-believing libertarians, so I have to have another word to >distinguish between the two. >> >> What's the problem here? If you have a better label (OTHER >than 'libertarian), let's hear it. >> >> j >> >> On Tuesday, March 28, 2006, at 10:57AM, Terry L Parker ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >Jim, STOP the 'people labeling' ('real libertarians') and >> >'name calling' ('NAPsters') so I don't have to put you on >> >imposed moderation! >> > >> >-TLP >> > >> > >> > >> >--- In [email protected], Jim Syler <Calion@> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mar 27, 2006, at 11:47 PM, Cory Nott wrote: >> >> >> >> > Jim Syler: >> >> >> Umm...Constitutional? Isn't the Constitution an initiation of >> >force? >> >> >> Isn't any government an initiation of force? >> >> > >> >> > Yes, it is. What is your point? >> >> >> >> Well, I'd tell you if you hadn't deleted all the previous >> >discussion >> >> below (please don't). >> >> >> >> ::grumble grumble:: >> >> >> >> Alright, there it is: >> >> > While everyone loves power, libertarians are aware that they >> >would >> >> > fall prey to the same issues and once in power would quickly >> >move to >> >> > minimize the ability to be corrupt by enacting term limits >and >> >putting >> >> > the country back on solid Constitutional ground such that >even >> >the >> >> > most corrupt President could do little in the way of harming >the >> >> > country. Everyone else would be more likely to slide down the >> >path to >> >> > totalitarianism if the powers that controlled the state at >least >> >> > agreed with their values to start with. >> >> >> >> Umm...Constitutional? Isn't the Constitution an initiation of >force? >> >> Isn't any government an initiation of force? >> >> >> >> My point is that how could "real" (in your view) libertarians-- >that >> >is, >> >> NAPsters--work to getting this country back on solid >Constitutional >> >> ground? Wouldn't that be a violation of their principles? >> >> >> >> j >> >> >> >> -- >> >> The great virtue of a free market system is that it does not >care >> >what >> >> color people are; it does not care what their religion is; it >only >> >> cares whether they can produce something you want to buy. It is >the >> >> most effective system we have discovered to enable people who >hate >> >one >> >> another to deal with one another and help one another. >> >> -- Milton Friedman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian >> >Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
