Who said anything about the religious right. And if you think those beliefs are opposed to Republicanism, please tell me how any of your positions is opposed to Republicanism or the philosophical principles of the Republican Party (assuming it has them).
--- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If my philosophy is "Republicanism" how do you explain the fact that > I despise the Religious right, and vehemently Pro-Choice, support > drug legalization, prostitution and gambling, hate seat belt laws, > would end all foreign aid immediately to everyone, oppose the > Military draft and favor allowing 18, 19, and 20 year olds the right > to drink beer? > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > You don't have to surrender the term "libertarian". Youu can't > > surrender something you don't hold. You're philosophy is only as > > libertarian as is that of Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot. > > > > There's no shame in you calling your position what it really > > is...war-mongering Republicanism. Embrace who you are and stop > trying > > to run from it by misusing the word "libertarian" to describe your > advocacy. > > > > I'm not an anarchist. I believe in having a government. In fact I > > believe in the same government the founders created. One that is a > > beacon of hope, liberty, freedom, and prosperity to all and the > > champion only of our own. Just like the founders, I believe in a > > small government with limited powers that never uses its military > > other than to defend itself from direct attacks. > > > > Your "side" is nothing but a few people who hijacked the > convention and dishonestly moved it out of the state of California > to keep it away from those advocating real libertarianism. The end > is near for your side. They will all be eliminated at the next > convention which will happen within the state of California. > > > > My position doesn't need to be re-thought. It's always been > > consistantly libertarian. Your side will NEVER change the bylaws > of > > the party and will be stuck masturbating each other and trying to > > change the meaning of the word libertarian...which you'll never do. > > > > You're right in that we can't be in the same political movement. I > > will continue to work in the libertarian movement and you can > continue > > to work against it. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > Paul, we're never going to solve this. We are going to keep > going > > > round and round and round and round. You and others here see > the > > > federal government, particularly the government headed by Bush > as the > > > greatest threat to American freedoms, I and others here view > Islamo- > > > fascism as the greatest threat to our freedoms. > > > > > > My side, at least speaking for myself, is never going to give up > the > > > term libertarian to your side. I will never surrender it, > > > especially considering that I've devoted 22 years of my life now > to > > > builing this libertarian movement. > > > > > > You will literally have to kill me first, to get me to surrender > the > > > term libertarian. > > > > > > So, what's the solution here? > > > > > > There's NO shame whatsoever, in you and others like you calling > > > your philosophy Anarchist. Why do you resist this? It's truth > in > > > labeling. Why are you so against coming out four square and > > > announcing to the world what you're philosophy is? > > > > > > We clearly cannot continue being in the same political > movement. > > > > > > And as witnessed by my side crushing yours at the very latest > > > Libertarian Party of California Convention, it's you that has to > > > rethink your position and future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > > > 1. There's nothing wrong with that. > > > > > > > > 2. Who cares? This is no different than the old man who ran > over > > > > people at the Farmer's market in L.A.. He was a nut. > > > > > > > > 3. Another nut whose murder had nothing to do with his > religion. > > > > Should I name the many Christians who have murdered people > here in > > > > America for each one that happens to be Muslim? > > > > > > > > 4. Borders did the right thing in not carrying something that > > > might > > > > upset thier customers. > > > > > > > > 5. It's really hard to gague his intentions after he's dead. > He > > > was > > > > most likely a suicidal kid which happens a lot and you have > > > absolutely > > > > nothing to support your baseless claims that he intended to > murder > > > > people. > > > > > > > > 6. So what? There are those who preach violence against > Muslims > > > too, > > > > just like you do. > > > > > > > > 7. Again, so what? None of this means anything. There are > > > increased > > > > numbers of rapes? What a Muslim conspiracy!!! > > > > > > > > 8. You've put together a list of 7 things that don't prove > > > anything > > > > and don't even come close to proving anything other than your > own > > > bigotry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mark, granted the threat from Islamo-Fascism at the moment > is > > > much > > > > > more severe in Western Europe, there are still many > instances > > > where > > > > > it is raising its ugly head here in the US: > > > > > > > > > > 1. the City Council of Hamtramac, Michigan last year voted > to > > > allow > > > > > a Muslim Mosque in the City Center to blare the Muslim > > > Prayer "Allah > > > > > Akubar" 5 times a day despite the passioned please opposing > the > > > > > proposal from the majority Catholic Polish citizens of the > town. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Just 3 weeks ago a Muslim Youth shouting "Allah Akubar" > ran > > > over > > > > > 8 college kids on the Village Green at the Univ. of North > > > Carolina > > > > > with his SUV. > > > > > > > > > > 3. 2 years ago a Black Muslim named John Muhamed in Maryland > > > shot > > > > > and killed 8 people with his rifle over the span of a two > month > > > > > period. > > > > > > > > > > 4. Borders Books, a major US Bookstore Chain just cowered to > > > Islamic > > > > > pressure and decided to ban the sale of the May/June issue > of > > > Free > > > > > Inquiry, cause it contained Danish cartoons of the "Prophet > > > > > Muhammed." > > > > > > > > > > 5. Last year a Muslim Univ. of Oklahoma student blew himself > up > > > on a > > > > > park bench outside of a crowded football stadium. Though > the > > > > > authorities denied it, most believe his intentions were to > set > > > the > > > > > bomb off inside the stadium killing thousands. > > > > > > > > > > 6. Louis Farakhan preaches his hateful rhetoric against Jews > to > > > > > thousands of followers on a daily basis. > > > > > > > > > > 7. Big City police departments throughout the US are > starting to > > > > > report a marked increase in cases of female genetalia > > > mutulation, > > > > > rape in some cases slavery of young Muslim women by Muslim > men > > > > > importing the women from the Middle East. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "mark robert" <colowe@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Geof, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we may have an evolving distortion away from the > > > original > > > > > > topic. I thought we were talking about the threat of Islam > > > > > > terrorism IN AMERICA, not other countries. I don't think > > > > > > providing evidence of terrorism in other countries (even > if > > > your > > > > > > information is all correct) does anything to establish > your > > > claim > > > > > > that it is a greater threat in America than our own form of > > > > > > religious (Christian) terrorism called the drug war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ > > > > > > {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to > vote > > > > > > "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement > with the > > > > > > case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's > > > instructions. > > > > > > There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to > arrive > > > at a > > > > > > unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and > > > fulfill > > > > > > its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government > and > > > > > > unjust lawsuits. > > > > > > See www.fija.org > > > > > > [Please adopt this as your own signature.] } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you cling to the utterly false belief that Muslims > on the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > side of the world who want nothing other than to stop > being > > > > > > murdered > > > > > > > and screwed with by the United States are more of a > danger to > > > > > > > Americans, than the drug war right here in America which > has > > > > > > cost more > > > > > > > lives each year than all Muslim terrorist acts ever > > > committed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have never refuted, as far as I have read, that the > > > > > > Islamofascists > > > > > > state they want to establish a worldwide caliphate and > rule by > > > > > > sharia. > > > > > > Do you have some psychic ability to determine they don't > mean > > > > > > what > > > > > > they say? > > > > > > What about India? There have been more Hindus killed by > > > > > > authoritarians using Islam as their pretext than there > have > > > been > > > > > > other denominations and nationalities. You canstantly > repeat > > > > > > that Muslim extremism is all the fault of the US, but > > > > > > Islamofascists hate and kill everyone of all faiths > wherever > > > they > > > > > > have determined the infidel must die. How is this the > fault of > > > > > > the US? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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