My great grandfathers both signed a piece of paper renouncing there past kings and states and to be loyal only to the United States of America. Watch any of the current protests and you will see Mexican and many other latin American flags. I am pro imigration, but not pro ilegal imigration. I am all for reforming the imigration system to fix its problems, and retroactive enforcement would be obserd, but the problems are real and should be adressed. There is alot of pure retoric going around on both sides, and I find it very anoying myself.
--- In [email protected], "David Macko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree with you that it was despicable to talk Dr. Hospers into > supporting Bush for reelection and the lie-based, unconstitutional, > unnecessary, counterproductive war on Iraq but the article > about immigration was written in 2002 and shows a brilliant, > rational mind. Read it thoroughly and see for yourself. > As to the difference in the current invasion and my grandparents > who came here in the 1890s, they didn't want to annex America > to Russia or Austria-Hungary. They didn't want to force their language > and culture on anyone. They didn't want to become welfare parasites > or criminals. They did vote for Franklin Delano Roosevelt, but > otherwise they were good Americans. > > For life and liberty, > David Macko > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:38 PM > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Immigration > > > > John Hospers is being anything but rational and anything but > > libertarian. > > > > He suggested people vote for bush, he supports the war in Iraq, and > > now once again, his stanse is on the opposite side of an issue from > > from what is consistent libertarianism. John Hospers doesn't make > > libertarian arguments. > > > > Perhaps he once did, but his senile, foolish, and extremely > > unlibertarian actions have robbed him of having even the slightest bit > > of credibility. > > > > LIBERTARIANS SUPPORT OPEN BORDERS. > > > > We should be offering our support and doing it vocally. I fully > > intend to do this in my campaign, especially since my district is 47% > > Hispanic. > > > > This is most certainly not an "invasion" anymore than the 1.5 million > > Irish (A higher percentage of the total population at the time than > > Mexicans now) were an invasion, or the Italians, or the Polish, or the > > Germans, or the Dutch, or the Chinese, etc. All of them were called > > "invaders" by people being paranoid who feared competition back then, just > > as the Mexicans are being called now. > > > > The Mexican illegal aliens are absolutely no different than the > > European immigrants who came here during the Industrial Revolution. > > The only difference is the unconstitutional immigration laws we have now. > > > > When most of our ancestors immigrated here, they merely had to get on > > a boat, show up, and sign their names on a piece of paper. This is > > all that the Mexican immigrants should have to do. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "David Macko" <dmacko@> wrote: > >> > >> Since last week's demonstrations my last doubts that > >> there is no immigration problem have ended. This is an > >> invasion problem. I strongly object to having the Libertarian > >> Party commit suicide by following your suggestion. > >> Steve, ideals are important and we all need them but until the > >> damages caused by ninety years of "our" government's treasonous foreign > >> policy > >> and a welfare state which attracts parasites are corrected, > >> which might be done in sixty or seventy more years if we start > >> tomorrow morning. > >> In the meantime, here is a rational proposal from our first > >> presidential candidate, John Hospers, A Libertarian Argument > >> Against Open Borders: > >> http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/13_2/13_2_3.pdf > >> It has three positive arguments in its favor. > >> It does not involve the suicide of the Libertarian Party, > >> the United States or our liberty. > >> > >> For life and liberty, > >> David Macko > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "steven linnabary" <linnabary51@> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:20 PM > >> Subject: [Libertarian] Immigration > >> > >> > >> >I am a bit disgusted with the LP's lack of involvement with the > > recent pro > >> > immigration demonstrations. I'm definitely not pointing fingers, > > because > >> > I > >> > am as to blame as anyone as I've done absolutely nothing. > >> > > >> > But immigration is an issue that COULD propel the LP because > > neither of > >> > the > >> > other parties favors open immigration. > >> > > >> > To my defense, and probably of others, I didn't even know they were > >> > happening until after they were over. That really isn't an excuse, > >> > because > >> > we should be LEADING on this issue. > >> > > >> > I guess I'm asking if anyone here is aware of when the next > > demonstration > >> > will take place? Does anyone know where to contact any leadership? > >> > > >> > PEACE > >> > Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer > >> > Franklin County Libertarian Party > >> > (614) 891-8841 > >> > P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115 > >> > > >> > "When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent > > revolution > >> > inevitable" John F. 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