[Libertarian] Re: Immigration

Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:55:35 -0700

David, do you REALLY believe that if Jesus was here today that he
would be urging hostile resistence of 'out of control' immigration;
that THIS would actually be His message for our times? 


-Terry Liberty Parker
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TerryLiberty 


--- In [email protected], "David Macko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Apologies for the late response.
> I finally had time to look at the survey. What struck me most
> was the 81 percent who thought that immigration was out of control.
> Jesus opposed suicide. Our present immigration policy, more
accurately,
> our lack of response to the invasion, is national suicide, just as
the
> American
> Indian open immigration policy led to their decline.
>
> For life and liberty,
> David Macko
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry L Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:06 PM
> Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Immigration
>
>
> > Dave, thank you for the good wishes and please accept mine for you
> > and yours  :)
> >
> > The scripture you quote below is from the Ten Commandments.  Do
you
> > really beleive that Jesus would say this to those of the currently
> > illegal aliens who are just here to live and work?  On what basis
is
> > this a tresspass against others?  I'm not referring to criminal
> > assaulters (domestic or imported).
> >
> > I would have thought that the Christ described in the Bible would
> > have urged loving compassion rather than hostile rejection of such
> > oppressed people.
> >
> >
> > -Terry Liberty Parker
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TerryLiberty
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "David Macko" <dmacko@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you. I will check that when I have time
> >> and respond to you.
> >> Regarding illegal aliens, I think that He would say
> >> "Thou shalt not trespass against others". However,
> >> I am not a theologian nor even a very good Christian
> >> so I do not maintain absolute certainty on this matter.
> >> This comment also offers an opportunity to wish you and
> >> other members on this list who celebrate it a happy Easter,
> >> whether you celebrate this Sunday or on the 23rd.
> >>
> >> For life and liberty,
> >> David Macko
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Terry L Parker" <txliberty@>
> >> To: <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:36 AM
> >> Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Immigration
> >>
> >>
> >> > Dave, go to the CBS web site, examine the poll released by
> >> > them on Monday, then let us know your take!
> >> >
> >> > Btw, regarding currently illegal aliens per se, what would
> >> > Jesus do?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Terry Liberty Parker
> >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TerryLiberty
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In [email protected], "David Macko" <dmacko@>
wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I would be interested in seeing the exact wording
> >> >> of the poll. Many times poll results are manipulated by
> >> >> the manner in which questions are phrased.
> >> >>
> >> >> For life and liberty,
> >> >> David Macko
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Terry L Parker" <txliberty@>
> >> >> To: <[email protected]>
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:00 AM
> >> >> Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Immigration
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Uncoolrabbit, I'm disgusted by this reasoning  :(
> >> >> >
> >> >> > They are human beings asking to not be made felons for just
> >> >> > living and working.  Also, CBS poll released this past
Monday
> >> >> > sez that three quaters of Americans APPROVE the concept of
> >> >> > providing currentlly illegal aliens with a path to legality.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What fucking political calculation is needed here!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -Terry Liberty Parker
> >> >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TerryLiberty
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit"
> >> > <uncoolrabbit@>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I was talking about it from a political point of view not
an
> >> >> >> idealogical point of view. I do apreciate local control,
but
> > I
> >> >> > don't
> >> >> >> have some phobia of being walled out of Mexico either. We
> > agree
> >> > on
> >> >> >> some things, disagree on others. I am in favor of open
> >> > imigration
> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> theory but there are many issues to adress on the road to
> > this
> >> >> >> honorable goal. So I stand by my statement that political
> > gains
> >> >> > from
> >> >> >> speaking out on the right thing to do will bring little
gain
> > if
> >> > any
> >> >> >> as it would alienate the closet protectionists while
failing
> > to
> >> >> > grab
> >> >> >> a substantial chunk of the democratic support. As a whole
the
> >> > party
> >> >> >> would gain little. Individuals stand to gain alot however,
> >> >> > especialy
> >> >> >> a hispanic libertarian politician who wanted to use the
> > moment
> >> > for
> >> >> >> instant political gains.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Im pro imigration terry, I am just saying it would not
cause
> >> > long
> >> >> >> term increased success for the party at a national level. I
> > can
> >> > see
> >> >> >> it doing alot for the party in southwestern states though.
I
> > was
> >> > in
> >> >> >> Texas for almost two years and I will be back there again
> > soon,
> >> > and
> >> >> >> many of the nicest people I knew down there were Mexican
> >> > migrants,
> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> know there not criminals or dangerous people but my stance
on
> > a
> >> >> > need
> >> >> >> to document imigrants and migrants remains becasue it is
not
> >> > only
> >> >> >> Latine Americans who cross north over the Rio Grande. If
you
> >> > look
> >> >> >> into past news you might find mention of the 4 Pakistani's
> > who
> >> > were
> >> >> >> aprehended after slipping into Texas, and spent an
absurdley
> >> > long
> >> >> >> time in US custody for being mere ilegal imigrants, as they
> > were
> >> >> > not
> >> >> >> mere ilegal imigrants.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I never said stick our heads in the sand, I said flashing
our
> >> >> >> tailfeathers wont turn as many heads as the post I replied
to
> >> >> >> implied.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --- In [email protected], "terry12622000"
> >> > <cottondrop@>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > No you are wrong Uncool Rabbit, libertarians sticking
their
> >> > heads
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> > the sand  or zipping their lips would not be a good
> > stradegy
> >> >> > move,
> >> >> >> > taking a stand would be but it needs to a thought out
> > stand,
> >> >> >> > immigration is a human rights and property rights issue,
it
> > is
> >> > a
> >> >> >> > local issue ( being that you are a green libertarian you
> >> > should
> >> >> > be
> >> >> >> > able to appreciate and communicate the importance of
local
> >> >> >> control)
> >> >> >> > that can preculde Open borders but it does not include
the
> >> >> > federal
> >> >> >> > government having immigration laws especially heavy
handed
> >> >> >> dracionan
> >> >> >> > laws and it is very important that the federal government
> > does
> >> >> > not
> >> >> >> > build my dear Senator Bill Frisk's big wall on the
border,
> >> > walls
> >> >> >> can
> >> >> >> > keep people in as well as keep them out.--- In
> >> >> >> > [email protected], "uncoolrabbit"
<uncoolrabbit@>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > It might have been missed in the intial post... that
the
> >> >> > massive
> >> >> >> > > latino protests are not about imigration. They are
about
> >> > ilegal
> >> >> >> > > imigration. Pro imigration is great, but the right
stance
> > on
> >> > it
> >> >> >> > right
> >> >> >> > > now won't bring the political success imagined as the
> > right
> >> >> >> > approach
> >> >> >> > > is not to support ilegal imigration, wich also would
only
> >> > bring
> >> >> >> its
> >> >> >> > > greatest success with non americans. The LP getting
vocal
> >> > here
> >> >> >> > would
> >> >> >> > > serve to divide the already small LP, and give undue
> > credit
> >> > to
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > > administration. There is a mass of issues that must be
> >> > resolved
> >> >> >> > before
> >> >> >> > > open imigration should hit the LP political table,
> >> > everything
> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> > > imigration system reform to ending the welfare state.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > I would say this is a good time to say mum is the word,
> >> > going
> >> >> >> pro
> >> >> >> > > ilegal imigration will not wrestle some great hispanic
> >> > support
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > > LP away from the democrats.
>






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