This is where your logic fails. 

On an island without a government, people can legitimately band
together to defend rights, but not to violate them.  People do have
the right to determine whether or not someone else will be allowed to
sell goods within their combined and/or collective property.  This
means they can grant this power to government.  Nobody on an island
has the right to tell another person what medicines they will or won't
take, what weapons they will or won't own, or what religion they will
follow.  This means they can't grant this power to government.

Tariffs are legitimate.  Drug laws, gun laws, abortion laws, and and
religious laws are not.




--- In [email protected], "Thomas L. Knapp"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Quoth Paul Ireland:
>
> > To determine whether any law is legitimate all one must do is ask what
> > would happen if you didn't have a government.  If there were a
> > community of people who each owned land and these people agreed to
> > protect each other from violence, attacks, etc., they could also agree
> > that nobody from outside thier community would be allowed to sell
> > goods within the community they own, without paying a fee to the town
> > to cover the cost of having police, judges, lawyers, etc. to ensure
> > that the business they conduct isn't fraudulent, theft, etc.
>
> And they could agree that decapitation is the proper penalty for
> possession of marijuana.
>
> And they could agree that having a handgun merits a prison sentence.
>
> And they could agree that if the guy down the road has a 55-gallon
> drum in his garage that may have something dangerous, it's okay for
> them to go over and burn his house down, just in case.
>
> And they could agree that if someone floats, she must be made of wood,
> and is therefore a witch, and therefore should be burned.
>
> They could agree on any or all of those things. They probably wouldn't
> try to portray their claims as "libertarian," though.
>
> Tom Knapp
>








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