states in regard to the transport and importation of slaves, not
immigration. Migration is not immigration.
--- In [email protected], "hrearden_hr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Although the section of the article was refering to slaves the
> wording of it means that after the year 1808 Congress can place
> prohibitions on states in regard to migration. After 1808 in fact
> Congress did enact legislation prohibiting slaves from being
> transported to the U.S.A. Congress because of Article I sec.9 can
> plase prohibitions on immigration. The part about a duty being
> imposed on importation of persons is useless because slavery and
> indentured servtitude have been abolished and thus people are no
> longer transported to the U.S.A. as slaves or indentured servents as
> payment for their passage. After 1808 it was illegal to transport
> slaves to the U.S.A.
>
> $
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote:
> >
> > Nice try. Naturalization is not immigration.
> >
> > Let's look at Article 1, section 9 which you attempted to use out
> of
> > context...
> >
> > The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states
> now
> > existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by
> the
> > Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight,
> but a
> > tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten
> > dollars for each person.
> >
> > This says the federal government can't prevent the states from
> > permitting any immigrants to they choose before 1808 but the fed
> can
> > charge a DUTY of up to $10 per person. The word DUTY refers to
> > imports. In otherwords...SLAVES. If you're importing slaves,
> > Congress can charge up to $10 per head as a duty. Since slavery
> has
> > since been outlawed, this clause is useless. It does not grant the
> > federal government any authority over immigration.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Article I sections 8 and 9. 8 gives congress the duty to
> establish
> > uniform Rule of Naturalization. Section 9 says that after 1808
> > congress can make laws on migration and importation of persons.
> > >
> > > BWS
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: terry12622000 <cottondrop@>
> > > Date: Monday, May 1, 2006 2:52 pm
> > > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Latino protesters made a huge public
> > relations mistake
> > >
> > > > How are they illegal? Yes those that tresspass on private
> property
> > > > and mess it up around the border are illegal and property
> owners
> > > > have
> > > > a right to protect their property and persons and they have a
> > > > right
> > > > to join with their neighbors in protecting their property and
> > > > person,
> > > > plus request the Sheriff and local police department help.
> That
> > > > being
> > > > said if they are not violating anyone's rights or attempting
> to
> > > > then
> > > > how are they illegal. The constitution also does not give
> > > > authority
> > > > over immigration to the federal government, yeas if a state,
> > > > county
> > > > and locals request help in defending the borders the federal
> > > > government can help but it would be very unwise now to
> encourage
> > > > the
> > > > federal government to come and park their employees( either
> border
> > > > guards or a standing army) in the local area messing in things
> > > > that
> > > > aint none of their business. I'm very disipointed at some of
> my
> > > > fellow libertarians and some conservatives who should know
> better
> > > > than to tempt the Central government with the request of help
> and
> > > > the
> > > > grant of more power especially when it clearly is not needed.
> Its
> > > > Congress breaking the law get that straight by passing
> immigration
> > > > laws when they have no constitutional authority to do so, they
> are
> > > > going against their oath of office which is illegal. Some
> states
> > > > may
> > > > have the constitutional authority over immigration if the
> state
> > > > constitution says so.--- In [email protected], John
> > > > Perna
> > > > <savefreedom2005@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Latino protesters made a huge public relations mistake
> > > > >
> > > > > A small thought: "Do unto others as you would have them do
> > > > unto
> > > > you."
> > > > > Who ever boycotts TODAY, WILL BE BOYCOTTED FOREVER.
> > > > > May first is a communist holiday.
> > > > > We are now seeing imported CLASS STRUGGLE.
> > > > >
> > > > > THE SOURCE OF THIS ARTICLE, Original URL, and AUTHOR
> > > > > CAN BE FOUND AT:
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreedomOfSpeechNow/message/73
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > THE CENSORED URL IS EMBEDDED THERE
> > > > > The message is being censored by the CAPCHA CENSORSHIP
> PROGRAM.
> > > > > I don't know how everybody else feels about it, but to
> me I
> > > > think Hispanic people in this country, legally or illegally,
> made
> > > > a
> > > > huge public relations mistake with their recent demonstrations.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't blame anybody in the world for wanting to come
> to
> > > > the
> > > > United States of America, as it is a truly wonderful place.
> But
> > > > when
> > > > the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is
> > > > illegal
> > > > it is flat out wrong and I don't care how many lala land left
> > > > heads
> > > > come out of the woodwork and start trying to give me
> sensitivity
> > > > lessons.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don't have
> > > > anything
> > > > against Mexicans! I just have something against criminals and
> > > > anybody who comes into this country illegally is a criminal
> and if
> > > > you don't believe it try coming into America from a foreign
> > > > country
> > > > without a passport and see how far you get. What disturbs me
> > > > about
> > > > the demonstrations is that it's tantamount to saying, "I am
> going
> > > > to
> > > > come into your country even if it means breaking your laws and
> > > > there's nothing you can do about it."
> > > > >
> > > > > It's an "in your face" action and speaking just for me I
> > > > don't
> > > > like it one little bit and if there were a half dozen pairs of
> > > > gonads
> > > > in Washington bigger than English peas it wouldn't be
> happening.
> > > > >
> > > > > Where are you, you bunch of lilly-livered, pantywaist,
> > > > forked
> > > > tongued, sorry excuses for defenders of The Constitution? Have
> you
> > > > been drinking the water out of the Potomac again?
> > > > >
> > > > > And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will
> probably
> > > > be
> > > > so pork laden and watered down that it won't mean anything
> anyway.
> > > > Besides, what good is an other law going to do when you won't
> > > > enforce
> > > > the ones on the books now?
> > > > >
> > > > > And what ever happened to the polls guys? I thought you
> folks
> > > > were the quintessential finger wetters. Well you sure ain't
> paying
> > > > any attention to the polls this time because somewhere around
> > > > eighty
> > > > percent of Americans want something done about this mess, and
> mess
> > > > it
> > > > is and getting bigger everyday.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is no longer a problem, it is a dilemma and headed
> for
> > > > being a tragedy. Do you honestly think that what happened in
> > > > France
> > > > with the Muslims can't happen here when the businesses who
> hire
> > > > these
> > > > people finally run out of jobs and a few million disillusioned
> > > > Hispanics take to the streets?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you, Mr. President, Congressmen and Senators, knuckle
> > > > under
> > > > on this and refuse to do something meaningful it means that
> you
> > > > care
> > > > nothing for the kind of country your children and
> grandchildren
> > > > will
> > > > inherit.
> > > > >
> > > > > But I guess that doesn't matter as long as you get re-
> > > > elected.
> > > > Shame on you. One of the big problems in America today is that
> if
> > > > you
> > > > have the nerve to say anything derogatory about any group of
> > > > people
> > > > (except Christians) you are going to be screamed at by the
> media
> > > > and
> > > > called a racist, a bigot and anything else they can think of
> to
> > > > call
> > > > you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well I've been pounded by the media before and I'm still
> > > > rockin' and rollin' and when it comes to speaking the truth I
> fear
> > > > not. And the truth is that the gutless, gonadless, milksop
> > > > politicians are just about to sell out the United States of
> > > > America
> > > > because they don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up
> to
> > > > the
> > > > face reality.
> > > > >
> > > > > And reality is that we would never allow any other group
> of
> > > > people to have 12 million illegals in this country and turn
> around
> > > > and say, "Oh it's ok, ya'll can stay here if you'll just
> allow us
> > > > to
> > > > slap your wrist."
> > > > >
> > > > > And I know that some of you who read this column are
> > > > saying "Well what's wrong with that?"
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll tell you what's wrong with it. These people could
> be
> > > > from
> > > > Mars as far as we know. We don't know who they are, where they
> are
> > > > or
> > > > what they're up to and the way the Congress is going we're not
> > > > going
> > > > to.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does this make sense? Labor force you say? We already
> > > > subsidize
> > > > corporate agriculture as it is, must we subsidize their labor
> as well?
> > > > >
> > > > > If these people were from Haiti would we be so fast to
> turn a
> > > > blind eye to them or if they were from Somalia or Afghanistan?
> I
> > > > think not.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > All the media shows us are pictures of hard working
> Hispanics
> > > > who have crossed the border just to try to better their life.
> They
> > > > don't show you pictures of the Feds rounding up members of MS
> 13,
> > > > the
> > > > violent gang who came across the same way the decent folks
> did.
> > > > They
> > > > don't tell you about the living conditions of the Mexican
> illegals
> > > > some fat cat hired to pick his crop.
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to make two predictions.
> > > > >
> > > > > No. 1: This situation is going to grow and fester until
> it
> > > > erupts in violence on our streets while the wimps in
> Washington
> > > > drag
> > > > their toes in the dirt and try to figure how many tons of
> > > > political
> > > > hay they can make to the acre.
> > > > >
> > > > > No 2: Somebody is going to cross that border with some
> kind
> > > > of
> > > > weapon of mass destruction and set it off in a major American
> city
> > > > after which there will be a backlash such as this country has
> > > > never
> > > > experienced and the Capitol building in Washington will
> probably
> > > > tilt
> > > > as Congressmen and Senators rush to the other side of the
> issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know about you but I would love to see just one
> > > > major
> > > > politician stand up and say, "I don't care who I make mad and
> I
> > > > don't care how many votes I lose, this is a desperate
> situation
> > > > and
> > > > I'm going to lead the fight to get it straightened out"
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't blame anybody for wanting to come to America,
> but if
> > > > you don't respect our immigration laws why should you respect
> any
> > > > others. And by the way, this is America and our flag has
> stars
> > > > and
> > > > stripes. Please get that other one out of my face.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pray for our troops
> > > > >
> > > > > God Bless America
> > > > >
> > > > > April 10, 2006
> > > > >
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