I think should really only come in to play for law making at the
final phase of the debate if it is a matter of record, if the record
showed they agreed the clause was about slavery but they agreed to
use Persons in order not to offend, then the record can be entered as
evidence and stands a good chance of wining the case.--- In
[email protected], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It is really unclear. Several problems are now apparent. We are
trying to argue a document that was written 200 years ago when
language was different and all of the original writers are dead for
over a 150 years. So we are in the position of trying to divine
intent from other writings by them and their contemporaries. A bad
situation.
>
> BWS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: terry12622000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2006 1:26 pm
> Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Article 1. sec. 9
>
> > A person needs to look how and if the clause fits in with the
rest
> > of
> > section 9, so you may have a point.--- In
> > [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It mentions paying a DUTY for imported persons.
> > >
> > > Main Entry: 1du·ty
> > > Pronunciation: 'dü-tE also 'dyü-
> > > Function: noun
> > > Inflected Form(s): plural duties
> > > Etymology: Middle English duete, from Anglo-French dueté, from
Old
> > > French deu due
> > > 1 : conduct due to parents and superiors : RESPECT
> > > 2 a : obligatory tasks, conduct, service, or functions that
> > arise
> > from
> > > one's position (as in life or in a group) b (1) : assigned
> > service
> > or
> > > business (2) : active military service (3) : a period of being
> > on
> > duty
> > > 3 a : a moral or legal obligation b : the force of moral
obligation
> > > 4 : TAX; especially : a tax on imports
> > > 5 a : WORK 1a b (1) : the service required (as of an electric
> > machine)
> > > under specified conditions (2) : functional application : USE
<got
> > > double duty out of the trip> (3) : use as a substitute <making
the
> > > word do duty for the thing -- Edward Sapir>
> > > synonym see FUNCTION, TASK
> > > - off duty : free from assignment or responsibility
> > > - on duty : engaged in or responsible for an assigned task or
duty
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In this case that revers to a tax on imported GOODS. This
> > refers to
> > > slaves. The word "slave" doesn't need to be used, becase the
word
> > > duty refers to a tax on a property to be imported.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > But neither section 8 nor section 9 mention slaves at all.
In
> > fact
> > > section 9 specificly mentions persons. Do you have a source
for you
> > > interpretation. Otherwise it would be best to go with the
words as
> > > written. Unless we can find some evidence of meaning of terms
> > > drifting as what happened with the word 'regulated' in the 2nd
> > amendment.
> > > >
> > > > BWS
> > > >
> > > > From: Paul <ptireland@>
> > > > > Wrong. It means after 1808, Congress may place
prohibitions
> > on
> > the
> > > > > states in regard to the transport and importation of
slaves, not
> > > > > immigration. Migration is not immigration.
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "hrearden_hr"
> > <HRearden@>
> > > > > wrote:>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Although the section of the article was refering to
slaves
> > the
> > > > > > wording of it means that after the year 1808 Congress can
> > place
> > > > > > prohibitions on states in regard to migration. After 1808
> > in
> > fact
> > > > > > Congress did enact legislation prohibiting slaves from
> > being
> > > > > > transported to the U.S.A. Congress because of Article I
> > sec.9
> > can
> > > > > > plase prohibitions on immigration. The part about a duty
> > being
> > > > > > imposed on importation of persons is useless because
> > slavery
> > and
> > > > > > indentured servtitude have been abolished and thus people
> > are
> > no
> > > > > > longer transported to the U.S.A. as slaves or indentured
> > > servents as
> > > > > > payment for their passage. After 1808 it was illegal to
> > transport
> > > > > > slaves to the U.S.A.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > $
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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