abortion. This has been discussed over and over on this site and I
hate to bring it
up.
IMHO a fetus is a human but I have doubts about an embryo and
zygote. I think libertarians for life present a good case about a
seperate new life begining at conception and since I favor the
presumption of liberty for an individual human with its individual
DNA I'm incline to agree with L4L that the presumption should be that
once the egg is fertlized with sperm and starts to divide it should
have human rights as an individual
human.
The obligation part on the parent I think comes in when the man
and woman agree to have sex if they know that pregency could result,
if they don't want the responsiblity they should not have intercourse
unless they are certain one or both is sterile or they have a fool
proof birth control method that will not allow the joing of the sperm
with the egg. Now rape or fraud is another story the sex partners
have no obligation for suuport and carry the bay to term and suuport
it until it can take care of itself but even there the mother has no
right to kill it just because it is there, if it could be removed and
brought to term out of the womb or in another womans womb who was
willing to carry it then that should be an option when it becomes
possible instead of a
abortion.
Now the mother has a reasonable obligation to the fetus and
to the child after birth but she has a right to defend herself, her
man and her other children, if a child was trying to kill her she
would have a right to kill it, if killing was necessary for defense
thus she also has a right to kill a fetus if it is trying to kill her
or seriously injure
her.
There is also a limit to the measures that a parent or a pregent
mother must do to suuport the child, they should not have to fight
and seriously risk death or serious injury to protect or suuport the
child from a political ethics point of view. From a spritual point of
view I think a prent should be willing to give there life for their
child and the grown child be willing to give their life for their
parents.
From a political ethics point of view the child owes the parent
nothing, the child did not choose to be conceived, if he could have
made that choice he might not have picked to be concived and then go
through the pain and tourture of abortion but the mother made the
choice and the abortion doctor and nurse helped her inflict pain on
the fetus and bring an end to its feelings and life.--- In
[email protected], "terry12622000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Terry, that iis pretty good.--- In
> [email protected], "Terry L Parker" <txliberty@> wrote:
> >
> > It's intellectually and spiritually lazy
> > to default to a comfortable prejudice
> > shared by one's associates!
> >
> > The term 'personhood' refers to the 'property'
> > of being able to have rights & duties (obligations)
> > Human Beings are human lifeforms with 'personhood'
> > for example.
> >
> > Historically, we've been too quick to discount
> > personhood when doing so was immoral;
> > for example, slavery (person discounted to
> > another person's property) Determination
> > of 'personhood' impacts not only the
> > contemporary human abortion issue but also
> > the morality of other life form encounters to come.
> >
> > The intellectual & spiritual 'homework'
> > yet to be done by many, is to develop
> > a working criteria for who (or what)
> > gets to be considered a person AND why.
> > If you want that criteria to be
> > generally acknowledged it has to be
> > as rational and objective as possible.
> >
> > Here are *my* 'tentative' COMBINED criteria for
> > who or what gets to be regarded as a person:
> >
> > sentience- ability to consider essential
> > information about one's environment
> > (surroundings, situation and so on)
> >
> > agency- power to act in that environment
> >
> > conscious volition- free will to intervene between
> > stimulus and response by making meaningful choices;
> > without which one can not be 'responsible' for
> > one's actions that interface with other persons
> >
> > Imo, 'personhood' is about individual sovereigns
> > (whose 'domains' are their own bodies and
> > justly held possessions) being free moral agents;
> > which still leaves room for acts of compassion :)
> >
> > Domains http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/30419
> >
> > Morals http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/37899
> >
> >
> > There are three essential areas of moral concern about human
> abortion:
> >
> > 1. Personhood- At what point do rights and obligations accrue to
the
> > developing individual?
> >
> > The spectrum of opinion is from the moment of conception
> > (spiritual, before physical zygote) thru physical gestation to
birth
> > and a few years beyond (human infanticide is actually NOT
regarded
> as
> > murder in some societies)
> >
> > 2. Obligation- If the developing individual is deemed a 'person'
> > what, if any, duty to that person exists, to provide support?
> >
> > No person has an 'automatic' claim on the resources of another
> > person to provide them with support. But, did voluntary action
> > by the 'host' person create an obligation to the 'dependent'
person?
> >
> > 3. Fatal Eviction- If the 'host' person has a right to deny
support
> > to the 'dependent' person, does the 'host' person's right
> to 'evict'
> > the 'dependent' person include doing so in such a way that is
fatal
> > to said dependent?
> >
> > People of sincere conscience can be found on all sides of these
> three
> > concerns.
> >
> >
> > 'The unexamined life is not worth living'
> > Socrates, in Plato, Dialogues, Apology
> > Greek philosopher in Athens (469 BC - 399 BC)
> > at http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/24198.html
> >
> > Please also enter the word consciousness at http://www.Google.com
> >
> >
> > -Terry Liberty Parker
> > see: 'Your Freedom and the Rigths of Others'
> > at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/22990
> >
>
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