BIRTH RIGHT. We attain them at birth because this is when we have
been created (notice the past tense of that word) aka BORN. You get
birthrights at birth, hence the term BIRTH right.
At birth we are born as property owners, and the first thing we own is
ourselves. This is why we have rights at birth. Until the moment of
birth we do not have any rights, not even the right to live. NOTHING
inside the body of a person has any rights....not even if it were
another person (which a fetus is not).
--- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Then, Mark, you assume that rights are not inalienable, and thus
> handed out like a birth certificate. I reiterate my rejection of
> this thought. I can not reconcile the concept of the state owning my
> very being, and all my rights are dirived from the state rather than
> my being itself. Rights should not become a synonymn for privledges,
> nothing could be more dangerous to libertey.
>
> I am discussing what I am discussing and what I am discussing is how
> defending abortion can not be seen as the only Libertarian point of
> view. I am talking about human rights Mark. My discussion is not
> being directed by your desire or any one elses to only look at a
> piece of the picture and ignore the darker sides that some find
> unpleasant.
>
> My point of view of abortion extends directly from my point of view
> on what the difference between a right and a privledge are. #6 is
> supposed to be used as a legal term for contracts and legislation,
> not as a tool of opression but it is so easily misused by those who
> misconstrue its purpose, and is thus a monstrocity.
>
>
> Here is the biggest mindbogler for me. Personhood in your point of
> view being about who gets rights and who does not. This is assigned,
> it is not in stone and thus who is curently a person and who is not
> is irelevant to the greater question of who should be a person under
> your definition. Definition #1 answers that question. #6 is simply a
> matter of legal terminolgy. Who recieves human rights is not, rights
> are not granted by legislation or contract Mark. How can that be so
> objectionable of a thought to a 'libertarian group.'
>
> --- In [email protected], "mark robert" <colowe@> wrote:
> >
> > Uncool,
> >
> > I don't comprehend why you are explaining the nature of rights,
> > when we are discussing abortion and "human" vs "person".
> >
> > Regarding "person", Merriam Webster grants synonymy with "human"
> > in def # 1. But def # 6 says: "one (as a human being, a
> > partnership, or a corporation) that is recognized by law as the
> > subject of rights and duties."
> >
> > Since this discussion is about abortion (and immigration?) and
> > what life-stage qualifies for full rights, I assume #6 is more
> > appropriate here.
> >
> > -Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ************
> > {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to vote
> > "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement with the
> > case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions.
> > There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to arrive at a
> > unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and fulfill
> > its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government and
> > unjust lawsuits.
> > See www.fija.org
> > [Please adopt this as your own signature.] }
> >
> > ----------
> >
> >
> > I disagree. Rights are NOT given to us by the state or by
> > political
> > aperatus Mark. Rights, are those things that are believed to be
> > ours
> > with out strings attached. Human seems far more apropriate to me
> > for
> > discussing rights Mark. Thats why they say "Human rights" Mark.
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "mark robert" <colowe@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > For our purposes, "human" seems more scientific and "person"
> > more
> > > political. I believe the latter is more accommodating for
> > > discussing rights.
> > >
> >
>
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