In some societies infanticide is NOT considered to be murder. If you
believe that to be wrong, explain why you believe human infants have
a right to life if there is no actual person freely willing to
provide support to that individual.
It's been my experience that an occasional kick in the ass may remove
some heads far enough to see beyond their own shit :)
-Terry Liberty Parker
LIMITED vs UNIVERSAL Libertarianism
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48288
--- In [email protected], "mark robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Now your post is confusing assembling (reproductive process) with
> growth and maintaining (post-parturition process). Simple growth
> does not a reproductive stage make; all reproductive processes
> are growth, but all growth is not reproduction. Birth is a clear
> line of demarcation when the organs and systems are sufficiently
> developed to afford the goal of development: sufficient
> autonomous functionality.
>
> With regard to your comments on thresholds and qualitative vs
> quantitative: Your posts are starting to show a pattern of
> pro-lumping and anti-splitting. Your positions seem to depend of
> eliminating certain lines and distinctions and specifics. Science
> is more or less interested in the opposite: it likes to identify
> thresholds (both qualitative AND quantitative) - and split and
> explain and describe and define and label and classify. Your post
> is getting warmer when it concedes that a threshold may be a
> factor; that is precisely what it is all about: thresholds,
> lines, classifications, etc.
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
> ************
> {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to vote
> "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement with the
> case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions.
> There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to arrive at a
> unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and fulfill
> its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government and
> unjust lawsuits.
> See www.fija.org
> [Please adopt this as your own signature.] }
>
> -------
>
>
>
> Mark,
>
> > You awake now?
>
> Yep. Unfortunately, what you're saying makes no more sense than
> it did
> when I was still groggy.
>
> If an organism isn't "whole" because it is in a process of
> assembling
> itself, then there is no such thing as a whole organism. You may
> or
> may not have noticed, but your own body is _continually_
> assembling
> itself -- growing hair, growing nails, manufacturing skin, etc.
>
> There may be a qualitative threshold below which a human being is
> not
> a "person," but the difference with respect to being a "human
> being"
> between you and the zygote that you used to be is quantitative,
> not
> qualitative. You ARE that organism, just older and having done
> more.
> If it wasn't a "human being," neither are you.
>
> Tom Knapp
>
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