live normal human infant is an actual (vs dejure like corporations
for another example) person (entity able to have rights and
obligations) is spiritually and intellectually lazy, AND
counterproductive to sincere exploration of the universality of
libertarianism.
Please read AND ponder what I wrote in-
'PERSONHOOD: Abortion & beyond'
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48521
-Terry Liberty Parker
LIMITED vs UNIVERSAL Libertarianism
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48521
--- In [email protected], "mark Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Terry P,
>
> As anything and everything will be analyzed on the internet,
> allow me to analyze your "non-position" positioning / "non-argue"
> arguing. OOH, I can see the wisdom in such posting behavior.
> OTOH, it's philosophically convenient, somewhat ill aligned with
> "principles", and a little tricky (unfair?) for others.
>
> Let me explain the latter with a typical sequence profile. You
> (or Tom) rebuts / challenges / confronts another's posted point,
> appearing exactly like an argument / position. But when your
> rebuttal is refuted by another's post (to an effective-enough
> degree), your default response is to claim you are/were not
> arguing the point/position. Such non-commitment allows you the
> convenience to argue everything without fear of ever being
> incorrect, akin to those who criticize everything with no
> suggestion as to a solution or alternative - in other words: a
> fancy way to say "although I don't know the answer, I am going to
> tell you when you are wrong." Obviously you have the right to
> this posting behavior, but I just thought I would register my
> slight complaint against it.
>
> Now allow me to segway that into the meatier part (and imply that
> you are implying a position):
> Am I to assume that your challenge to me to find how and why
> universal libertarianism regards infants as persons is a passive
> way of suggesting that it doesn't?
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
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>
> ---------------
>
>
> Mark, I have NOT taken a cemented in position; I'm raising
> questions
> which need more than automatic presumptions as answers:
>
> Personhood- At what point do rights and obligations accrue to a
> developing human individual?
>
> The spectrum of opinion is from the moment of conception
> (spiritual,
> before physical zygote) their physical gestation to birth and a
> few
> years beyond (human infanticide is actually NOT regarded as
> murder in
> some societies)
>
> More At http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48519
>
>
> *IF* you're taking the position that infanticide is also murder
> (unjustifiable homicide) then present a rational case. Many
> ass/u/me
> that normal human infants are actual persons (not just declared
> as
> such by the US Constitution).
>
> How and why is regarding infants as persons justified by a
> universal
> application of libertarianism?
>
>
> -Terry Liberty Parker
> LIMITED vs UNIVERSAL Libertarianism
> at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48521
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "mark Robert" <colowe@>
> wrote:
> >
> > TLP,
> >
> > Yes, I've read your criteria before. But I have to confess, I'm
> > having trouble comprehending your/its position on infants,
> > especially considering your other comments on infanticide.
> Maybe
> > you could explain a little further?
> >
> > -Mark
> >
>
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