These are the reasons: 1. Lack of natural resources. oil gas coal and uranium are present all around the area, but not on this reservation except uranium. IT is not being mined because the mines on the Anglo owned lands are just opening up and they will not share the orders.
2. Discrimination is a powerful force, although none of the Anglo will call it that. Educational systems concentrate on hiring Anglo teachers and teaching LDS kids, the Ute and Navajo are left far behind. 3. LDS residents only buy from LDS merchants. 4. The reservation is surrounded for a hundred or more miles in every direction by nothing but desert or 3 towns. Two are primarily LDS, the other is Navajo. The Navajo are just hanging on, with most living below the poverty level and many without even utilities. They do not share with Ute. As there is NO as in ZERO public transportation, the only place to work IF work could be found is over 1 1/2 hours away in Colorado. 5. The Ute have little connection with the present era or experience in business. Many can not read, those who can read on 3rd or 4th grade level. They never received any training. The only condition for them to reach self sufficiency was that they were expected to farm...on land no one else wanted, that receives less than 8 inches of rain a year for the past 10 years, and where the weather conditions and futility of the soil is terrible. ***here is the kicker...they DO have a significant water allotment from the state....BUT there is NO SUFFICIENT WAY TO GET IT TO THE RESERVATION! SO! San Juan County SELLS the Ute portion of the water allotment DOWNSTREAM to Arizona! Good deal for an extremely poor county, bad deal for the Ute. BUT it is not HOPELESS. Mark would like to ignore that fact. IT needs TIME and WORK. That is what I took part in. The need of the people to become proficient in basic skills will take another generation at least. That is needed before anything else can happen. Before success in business ventures is possible the people need to LEARN by the success of others. That is what we are working on...and this candy company is a surprising success. We attribute it's success to the fact that CHILDREN are running the company! They have not LEARNED failure yet and can be motivated AND inspired to take risks. But if we left this to Mark and friends like him, these people would not eat, receive an education or medical care in the meantime. Remember something; there was a legal and binding contract, called a Treaty, signed by them and the US government in the 20's. IF you wish to call that welfare or assistance, be my guest, it is to your loss. The fact remains it is legal and binding. Yet, the Ute want more and they are willing to make great changes to do this. SO please folks, if you want to say these people are not entitled or deserving of food medicine and shelter, go there first. Otherwise you have no clue what you are saying, and quoting some theory of self-sufficiency and sustainable market with accompanying prosperity to the surrounding area in really so much nonsense. It may apply to CITIES, or to FARMING AREAS, but it will NEVER apply to a place where there is too little existing opportunity and too few people. That area only prospered in a hunting/gathering/raiding economy. It CAN change, but it will take more than a generation, and I for one would never see good people die because others have a philosophy of abandonment. On 6/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If I may address you, John, let's give those people the immediate > attention > they need in the form of food, shelter, etc. And yes, John, I support > forcefully taking it from those of us who are not starving. Because you > see, > John, I realize that people do not eat in "the long run" and that private > charity in this country has atrophied from non-use. But what I want you to > do, John, is that while we're treating the symptoms, John, please tell me, > John, how we will cure the problem of poverty...John. Because, John, if > indeed these people are no different from us well-fed types as far as > physical and mental traits, John, then there must be some sort of > externality that's keeping them poor. But, John, let's keep the emotional > aspect of this to a minimum as it doesn't help anyone in a positive manner > except to maybe gather private donations for immediate help. And while > we're > at it, John, I don't think I have to tell you, John, that a condescending > tone will not sway anyone toward your cause nor will it yield any > solutions. > > _____ > > From: [email protected] <Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > [email protected] <Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of John Stroebel > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 3:03 PM > To: [email protected] <Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Youthful Entrepreneurs > > > I am sorry Mark, did you have a reply to my questions or not? > > On 6/26/06, mark robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:colowe% <colowe%25> > 40iquest.net> net> > > wrote: > > > > John, > > > > By repeating the claim that they will die if taken off govt aid, > > you are ignoring my points about how govt aid creates/sustains > > poverty and how cutting it reduces poverty. You persist in > > refusing to associate any of the terrible conditions you describe > > as a result of the aid, although said associations are basic. > > There are direct correlations between govt handouts and > > reductions in incentive for capitalistic innovation / jobs. What > > you can expect to see as a result of cutting the aid is an > > increase in business ideas and jobs and wealth and health. These > > are fundamental libertarian principles of private property and > > free enterprise, and do not take any further expertise to > > understand. > > > > Your strong emotionalism would seem to be clouding your > > objectivity; similar to a drug warrior going on about the ravages > > of drugs in his area. > > > > If your last question asks if I would decrease military spending, > > the answer is "yes". I thought you previously agreed with me on > > that. > > > > > > -Mark > > > > ************ > > {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to vote > > "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement with the > > case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions. > > There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to arrive at a > > unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and fulfill > > its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government and > > unjust lawsuits. > > See www.fija.org > > [Please adopt this as your own signature.] } > > > > ----------------------- > > > > Ah....so let them die. That about right Mark? > > > > And the reason is....ending the agreements with this reservation > > will do > > what...cause the prosperity of this county to increase? > > > > Perhaps Mark you might tell me how. You seem to be an expert of > > sorts. Would > > you be so kind as to spell out for me what we can expect to see, > > in some > > order of progression, in way of improvements in San Juan County. > > > > Then perhaps you can tell me what your expertise is. Are you an > > economist? A > > sociologist? An anthropologist. Maybe you can show me some kind > > of date, in > > way of study, that will show how this has been tested in a real > > situation. > > > > Then, Mark, you can perhaps explain how we should handle the > > starvation of > > 500 people, especially the children. Can you do that? > > > > Have you ever seen people who live on less than 2500 caleries a > > day Mark? > > Have you ever worked with them? Have you ever worked with > > children with > > rickets, or anemia, or no teeth? Have you ever shared your lunch > > with > > children in situations like this? > > > > Have you ever walked into a home and seen dog being served...and > > people > > happy to have meat for a change? > > > > See Mark, your pat and packaged ideas on how to deal with human > > beings who > > do not have enough to eat or means to earn a living is much > > too....clinical > > for me. It seems have shades of cynicism. But them, maybe you are > > an > > expert...maybe you have done some studies on genocide for the > > good of the > > economy. Have you? > > > > Now before you cry out about a word or two you take to heart, > > remember to > > answer the questions. Tell me how the deaths by starvation and > > disease of > > 500 or so Native Americans who live in the least densely > > populated and > > poorest county in the USA will help us right now to become more > > prosperous. > > I'll pass on your remarkable discovery to the people of San Juan > > County > > Utah. See, they have been looking for a way out of the poverty > > there for a > > long long time. > > > > Then tell me what you will do after you end this situation. Save > > more money > > on body armour because that is like a handout too? > > > > > > > > -- > ******************************************************************* > "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang > separately!" ...Ben Franklin > > ******************************************************************* > Are YOU Preparing For The November '06 Elections NOW??? > > ******************************************************************* > http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Save-The-USA/> > > yahoo.com/group/Save-The-USA/ > > It is time to do something about all this! > > ******************************************************************* > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- ******************************************************************* "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately!" ...Ben Franklin ******************************************************************* Are YOU Preparing For The November '06 Elections NOW??? ******************************************************************* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Save-The-USA/ It is time to do something about all this! ******************************************************************* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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