Correct, the plank elimnated due process by demanding the immigrant
prove his or her innocence or well
being.
The part about welfare is nonsense, it assumes to much. Should
the LP call for manatory birth control or a one child policy because
some people have kids they don't support without government welfare.
As a libertarian or even a conservative stradgey it is a failure,
although I will say most of the immigrants would be better off with
such as system as what we have now or the horror of what several of
the conservatives and US House is calling for. From a classic liberal
stand point the new plank might make sense but it is not libertarian.-
-- In [email protected], "Thomas L. Knapp"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> > It would have been very helpful if you two had been at the
> > convention.
>
> Helpful to whom? ;-)
>
> I considered attending right up to the last minute, but I just
wasn't
> up for it for several reasons -- some political, some personal. The
> only one I'll bring up here is: Location.
>
> I don't have anything against Portland. As a matter of fact, I've
> always wanted to visit it. However, it's expensive to get to.
>
> I know that it would be selfish (in the unduly, rather than
> acceptable, kind of way) to expect the LP to always hold its
> conventions within a long days' drive of where I live, but I don't
> think it's unreasonable to expect them to at hold them in cities
that
> are cheap to fly into for those who live too far away to drive.
Please
> keep in mind that I am NOT slamming Portland, Oregon, the Oregon LP
or
> even the LNC for its choice. It's just a simple fact that every
> hundred dollars added to flight prices is going to result in some
> fractional attendance reduction (especially for a family including
two
> delegates plus kids).
>
> I'm really, really hoping that the LP will choose St. Louis for its
> 2008 convention -- not because I live here, but because 2008 will be
> the 40th anniversary of the separation of the modern libertarian
> political movement from conservatism/Republicanism, which occurred
> here (when Don Meinshausen burned his draft card on the floor of the
> YAF convention at the Stouffer Hotel and the libertarians walked
out).
>
> > 55% of the delegates voted to eliminate the pledge. That bylaws
> > change failed because 67% (2/3) was required to pass. I spoke to
many
> > people who voted to keep the pledge because they thought it
referred
> > only to a prohibition of a violent overthrow of the government
and not
> > to requiring that the entire platform reject incremental
solutions.
> >
> > I'm confident that if you two had been there to explain the "true"
> > meaning of the pledge to the delegates, the pledge would have been
> > successfully eliminated.
>
> I don't think that's the case. There's been a movement to delete the
> pledge for years. A motion to do so also got a majority, but not a
> victory, in 1993. I don't regard my own persuasive capabilities as
> necessarily superior to those who have been working on the issue for
> much longer.
>
> > I look forward to seeing you in 2008.
>
> Ditto!
>
> > P.S. I voted for the minority report on the immigration plank.
But
> > even the majority report was not unlibertarian. It simply did not
> > reject all government.
>
> It placed the burden of proof for exercising the right to walk
across
> an imaginary line on those wanting to walk across the line, rather
> than on the government proposing to limit their ability to do so. If
> I'm entering private property, the burden of proof is on me to meet
> the owner's demands. If I'm walking in "common space" -- regardless
of
> whether I think such should exist or not -- then it's the
government's
> job to demonstrate why who I am and what I'm doing is anybody's
> business but mine, not my job to prove to the government's
> satisfaction that it approves of me or my activities.
>
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