It always was, is now, and forever will be the Nolan chart. End of story. And regardless of what you want to call it, the chart does not determine who is or is not a libertarian, and it never will. Nothing you say will ever change it. Nothing you say will ever change the fact that the NAP alone determines whether or not someone's advocacy is or is not conssitent with libertarianism.
It's the line in the sand. --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Leonard Reed o FEE is dead. He died way back in the 1970s. I fail > to see how you would have had any chance to talk with the very guy > who invented the New Political Spectrum. My guess is that you're in > your late 30s, right? You would have been in Pampers the same time > Reed died. > > And it is the New Political Spectrum, NOT the misnamed "Nolan > Chart." Nolan, if you knew your libertarian history, took it all > from Reed. The very first two-dimensional chart appeared in a 1957 > FEE publication authored by Reed. Nolan used it about 14 years > later when he founded the LP. But he most definitely did not invent > the Chart. > > Ask him yourself. > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > As I said in my previous post, whether or not the NY LP approached > > him, or he ran as an LP candidate is irrelevant. That doesn't make > > someone a libertarian. You are more consistantly confused about > who > > is or isn't libertarian than anyone I've ever seen. Anyone who > > would consider Tom McClintock, George W. Bush, Jesse Ventura, > Arnold > > Schwarzenneger, Bruce Cohen, Aaron Star, Art Tuma, Sandor Worren, > or > > Eric Dondero as consistent to a universal application of > libertarianism doesn't know the meaning of the word. > > > > Scoring 100/100 on the Nolan chart (it's not the "new political > > spectrum quiz) does not make you a libertarian. This is according > to > > the guy who made the chart in the first place. It is merely an > > outreach tool to determine who leans toward libertarian thought. > One, > > and only one thing determines whether or not someone is consistent > to a universal application of libertairanism, and that is the NAP > (Non Aggression Principle) > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > Howard Stern is "not a libertarian" huh? > > > > > > I guess the Libertarian Party of NY never sought to recruit him > to > > > run for Governor in the early 1990s. Guess that was all an > > > illusion. > > > > > > Guess the fact that he scores a perfect 100/100 on the New > Political > > > Spectrum Quiz, doesn't make him a "libertarian" either. > > > > > > You see in the world of the Steve Linnaberry "I've got a cigar > in my > > > mouth to make me look like an important political pundit" you're > > > only a "real libertarian" if you advocate complete and immediate > > > abolition of the State. Ahh, yes, in the world of Linnaberry > > > Anarchy = Libertarianism. And 100/100 brand Libertarianism > > > equals "Non-libertarian." > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "steven linnabary" > > > <linnabary51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Paul" <ptireland@> > > > > > > > > Cursing is not a measure of libertarianism and Howard Stern is > not > > > a > > > > libertarian. Running as a libertarian party candidate does not > > > make > > > > you a libertarian. It has nothing to do with libertarianism. > But > > > > let's pretend for a moment that it did and that Bush did > something > > > > right for a change. > > > > > > > > If I commit a crime today, I will be ostracized and criticized > and > > > > punished. How come on days when I don't commit a crime, I'm > not > > > > showered with praise? The answer is because THAT IS WHAT I'M > > > SUPPOSED > > > > TO DO!!! It's my responsibility not to commit crimes. > > > > > > > > You think Bush should be praised every time he accidentally > does > > > > something that might be considered libertarian or the right > thing > > > when > > > > it comes to his job? > > > > > > > > Bush isn't getting the punishment or even the criticism he > > > genuinely > > > > deserves for violating the U.S. Constitution more than all > previous > > > > presidents combined and for spending more than all previous > > > presidents > > > > before him combined. > > > > > > > > What he deserves is to be removed from office, charged with > > > treason, > > > > and after that trial, charged with war crimes, and then put to > > > death > > > > on live television as a reminder to anyone else who would > misuse > > > our > > > > government. > > > > > > > > On a side note, it's amazing that after nearly 6 years in > office, > > > > George W. Bush finally exercised the power to veto for the > first > > > time, > > > > and has vetoed a spending bill for the first time, only > because it > > > > would allow him to force his religion onto others and prevent > > > science > > > > from moving forward and saving lives. > > > > > > > > ****** > > > > > > > > I almost fell out of my chair when I heard that Bush had > > > (finally) vetoed a > > > > spending bill. It was about time. Bush could learn a lot from > > > Gerald Ford, > > > > who vetoed more spending bills than all republicans (combined) > > > since. > > > > > > > > But, this veto will have NOTHING to do with preventing science > > > from moving > > > > forward. Private spending for stem cell research will still > move > > > ahead. > > > > Even some states, such as California, will continue to gouge > > > taxpayers for > > > > certain bureaucratically approved "research". > > > > > > > > So there, Eric. I approve of at least something that Bush has > > > done, from a > > > > libertarian perspective. > > > > > > > > PEACE > > > > Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer > > > > Franklin County Libertarian Party > > > > (614) 891-8841 > > > > P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115 > > > > > > > > "When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent > > > revolution > > > > inevitable" John F. Kennedy > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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