RE: [ALD] LD vs fringe kook politics
a) Iraq invaded our ally, Kuwait, a democratic, multiparty constitutional monarchy with its own parliament, who we had a mutual defense treaty with. Saddam Hussein told April Glespie (the US Ambassador to Iraq) at the time, that Kuwait was slant drilling under the border and tapping into (stealing) Iraqi oil, that Kuwait had been part of Iraq in the past, and that Iraq was contemplating going into, possibly annexing Kuwait for those reasons. He asked her if the US had a problem with that? April assured him that it didn't matter to the US. (And what branch of the government , do you think, that April was working for?) Then when he did invade Kuwait Bush I made a big deal out of it and invaded Iraq. That's the kind of double crossing scumbags that we have inhabiting the White house. b) Iraq sent assassination teams into the US to go after a US president. People we trained, at the "School of the Americas"? As part of arming Saddam, to war with Iran? Who we supplied with all of the Gas he used on the Kurds, while our CIA and military supplied him with technical advice and targeting co-ordinates to enable accurate delivery of the gas shells? While he did it? That Bush II then used as one of the excuses for invading Iraq .... again. And who Donald Rumsfeld had previously played huggy huggy kissass with. They didn't succeed did they? Guess their training must have sucked. Or did the CIA secretly recruit some bumbling idiot, Keystone Cop Jihadees to capture (like the current Miami 7?) to use for propaganda, political leverage? Or was it just a fiction created out of whole cloth? c) the Gulf War never ended: hostilites ceased in a cease fire agreement, not a surrender or armistice. Thus, when Iraq violated the terms of the cease fire agreement, the coalition forces were obligated to reinitiate hostilities to enforce compliance with the cease fire. Our invasion of Iraq was simply a completion of the Gulf War that started in 1990, it was all the same war. There was no Declaration of War by Congress in either case, making every bit of it a wholly extra-Constitutional, Executive Branch, High Crimes criminal enterprise. d) Afghanistan's ruling Taliban has a treaty with al Qaeda, gave it shelter, and refused to surrender them to international law for crimes against humanity. Sorting that out is a job for Congress, in contemplating a Declaration of War. Apparently Congress hasn't seen sufficient cause for an actual War Declaration since WWII.......and I'd tend to agree with them. They have been entirely gutless, however, in essentially saying, "we aren't going to take the heat for this.......you (the executive) decide". Utterly disgusting.......not to mention a clear violation of the separation of powers....by Congress for coping out........by the Executive for acting without legal authority........and by the Judiciary for letting them get away with it. I suspect that our current "government" may just be, just by sheer volume, the most corrupt government to ever exist on earth. I suppose, though, that you likely are one of those kooks who insist that the US agressed against Hitler, since only Japan attacked us first, even though Hitler declared war on the US the day after Dec 7th. No I don't believe that at all. Once Germany Declared War on the US, a War Declaration against Germany was ENTIRELY appropriate. What I do believe, however, Re: Japan, is that Roosevelt had many destroyers plying the waters around the Japanese Islands, inside Japanese territorial waters(saber rattling by a "neutral party"?, and then, quietly cut off oil sales to Japan, all without the knowledge of the American people (who were by-en-large opposed to US involvement at that point). Cutting off all oil to Japan, by an allegedly neutral country, was indeed an act of war (by international standards).... that would have stopped Japan's war efforts cold......literally goading Japan into attacking Pearl, done intentionally as a result of a secret promise he made to Churchill to bring America into the war. It was a Day of Infamy alright.....on many levels......including the foreknowledge of the impending attack that was intentionally kept from the poor bastards at pearl.....in order to deliberately have a "911" to change public opinion about entering the war........just like the arrangement between Churchill and Wilson to have the Lusitania sunk, killing US Passengers, to get the US into WWI I also know that Hitler sent out his own thugs to burn down the Reichstag so that he could get the political cooperation necessary to give him the Enabling Act that turned him, an elected official in a Constitutional Republic, into a virtually omnipotent dictator.......just like the Patriot Act....and "justified" his invasion of Poland. I also know what Goering had to say: "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials And I know, (I was a field superintendent for 17 years in the construction and demolition of reinforced concrete and steel structures) that the WTC was not brought down, and pulverized into dust by two airplanes....and that building 7 did not just magically implode because of a couple of minor fires. Given the history of government calumny in taking their nations to war, (I've only recounted a few) it wouldn't surprise me one little bit to find out that our own government orchestrated 911. Do I know that is the case......no. But I know, as does any casual observer with half a brain, that they have taken extraordinary measures to make sure that no effective forensic investigation of 911 was possible. Frankly I have seen enough of what has the sheer chutzpah to bill itself as the US Government (at least 90% of which is entirely un-constitutional) over the past 60 years to make it my rule of thumb that I assume "Everything, literally EVERYTHING, that the "government" says is a bald faced lie ...... until proven otherwise." I also know enough about the Founders of this nation to know that their attitude was NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT.....and I think they knew what they were talking about. What was it they said, "Eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty!" You don't trust the bastards........you watch 'em like a hawk!.........even if it's your own mother that holds the office!!!!!!!!! "Government, like fire, is a DANGEROUS SERVANT and a FEARFUL MASTER" they told us. And we'd better damned well start to heed those words. Don't think so? You'd better go see America: From Freedom to Fascism bub. Government and lie are interchangeable synonyms. Jake **************************************** Is real money coming back? Find out at: www.CurrencyAlert.US<http://www.currencyalert.us/> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Lorrey Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ALD] LD vs fringe kook politics --- Henry Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/ALD-forum/post?postID=SG80Kzkk9DzVNE74PfuVWyvIUoAt9VkGqv3O1gECiAiosJD71qTQpVr1ZP0g0Fs5gNSTbdbWHnYR2Jcexk764A>> wrote: > Ridiculous. Iraq didn't attack us.....neither did Afghanistan. The > US attacked them. It dismays me that such astounding displays of willful ignorance happen on a hard money forum. a) Iraq invaded our ally, Kuwait, a democratic, multiparty constitutional monarchy with its own parliament, who we had a mutual defense treaty with. b) Iraq sent assassination teams into the US to go after a US president. c) the Gulf War never ended: hostilites ceased in a cease fire agreement, not a surrender or armistice. Thus, when Iraq violated the terms of the cease fire agreement, the coalition forces were obligated to reinitiate hostilities to enforce compliance with the cease fire. Our invasion of Iraq was simply a completion of the Gulf War that started in 1990, it was all the same war. d) Afghanistan's ruling Taliban has a treaty with al Qaeda, gave it shelter, and refused to surrender them to international law for crimes against humanity. I suppose, though, that you likely are one of those kooks who insist that the US agressed against Hitler, since only Japan attacked us first, even though Hitler declared war on the US the day after Dec 7th. Mike Lorrey President, Lorrey Aerospace http://www.lorrey.biz<http://www.lorrey.biz/> Founder, Constitution Park Foundation Blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com<http://intlib.blogspot.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
