RE: [ALD] LD vs fringe kook politics
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Find out at: www.CurrencyAlert.US<http://www.currencyalert.us/> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Lorrey Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ALD] LD vs fringe kook politics --- Henry Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/ALD-forum/post?postID=C_j3ITh2HyLrKtovX_7tS27-yTlZXAwGDkIdiybjJgmiBYDQP0GawdJR-xf9-qp4uPzhJBYJ3az443Ju1_jMcg>> wrote: > a) Iraq invaded our ally, Kuwait, a democratic, multiparty > constitutional monarchy with its own parliament, who we had a mutual > defense treaty with. > > Saddam Hussein told April Glespie (the US Ambassador to Iraq) at the > time, that Kuwait was slant drilling under the border and tapping into > (stealing) Iraqi oil, that Kuwait had been part of Iraq in the past, > and that Iraq was contemplating going into, possibly annexing Kuwait > for those reasons. > He asked her if the US had a problem with that? April assured him > that it didn't matter to the US. (And what branch of the government, > do you think, that April was working for?) If someone told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it? Would you blame that person afterward for the consequences? Don't be a fool. No, Glaspie did not tell Saddam we had no problem with annexation or invasion, she told him that the US was not interested in his squabbles with them and had no involvement. Saddam stupidly assumed that that meant the US would not intervene, but that was his own misunderestimation. Wow.....love the spin. You ever been a White House Press Secretary? > Then when he did invade Kuwait Bush I made a big deal out of it and > invaded Iraq. That's the kind of double crossing scumbags that we have > inhabiting the White house. Was Bush I, or the US, under any obligation to be honest with a foreign despot? Bush's job was to defend US interests, thats it, not to be nice nice to a stalinist scumbag. If Bush did mislead that stalinist bastard into something stupid enough to bring the rest of the world down on him, and that benefitted the US, or eventually would bring about the democratization of Iraq, then all the better for liberty. What goes on in Iraq is none of our damn business. Why are you so adamant about defending a stalinist scumbag? I didn't defend Saddam Hussein. I don't care about the scumbags in other countries....they don't claim to represent me. What I care about is the behavior of OUR scumbags. > b) Iraq sent assassination teams into the US to go after a US > president. > > People we trained, at the "School of the Americas"? Whooopee shit. Would you prefer they got their training on the Yale rifle team? Do you actually think that US diplomats were ever under any illusions that Saddam was a stalinist fuck who would overthrow any other arab state he could get away with? Don Rumsfeld's job, at the time, was to be a diplomat, and diplomats get 'kissy kissy faced' with all sorts of dispicable people in the course of their jobs. And what job exactly was that? > > They didn't succeed did they? Guess their training must have sucked. > > Or did the CIA secretly recruit some bumbling idiot, Keystone Cop > Jihadees to capture (like the current Miami 7?) to use for propaganda, > political leverage? Or was it just a fiction created out of whole > cloth? Or is it that someone in the Iraqi establishment clued us into it because they were an agent for us? Pull your head out and grow up. > > c) the Gulf War never ended: hostilites ceased in a cease fire > agreement, not a surrender or armistice. Thus, when Iraq violated the > terms of the cease fire agreement, the coalition forces were > obligated > to reinitiate hostilities to enforce compliance with the cease fire. > Our invasion of Iraq was simply a completion of the Gulf War that > started in 1990, it was all the same war. > > There was no Declaration of War by Congress in either case, making > every bit of it a wholly extra-Constitutional, Executive Branch, High > Crimes criminal enterprise. Congress passed an authorization on the use of force, but as historical studies have shown, the US, even before 1913, rarely declared WAR, because WAR is merely one of several states of conflict, one which requires entire national commitment and mobilization of the unorganized militia, etc. Horseshit. The only war power given to Congress is to declare war or not........for the same reason that cops used to be trained never to pull their weapons unless they intended to shoot to kill. That limitation was intended to prevent exactly the kind of poking our nose where it doesn't belong and thereby keeping the country involved in the kinds of debacles we have endlessly been in whenever Congress has passed the buck on that issue. Yep you're right.....it's been very seldom that Congress has had the guts to live up to their duty. Our bulging military cemeteries and countless dead and maimed around the planet are ample testament to that. But then Empire has it's benefits. > No I don't believe that at all. Once Germany Declared War on the US, > a War Declaration against Germany was ENTIRELY appropriate. What I do > believe, > however, Re: Japan, is that Roosevelt had many destroyers plying the > waters > around the Japanese Islands, inside Japanese territorial waters(saber > rattling by a "neutral party"?, and then, quietly cut off oil sales > to Japan, all without the knowledge of the American people (who were > by-en-large opposed to US involvement at that point). Cutting off > all oil to Japan, by an allegedly neutral country, was indeed an act > of war (by international standards).... that would have stopped > Japan's war efforts cold..literally goading Japan into attacking > Pearl, done intentionally > as a result of a secret promise he made to Churchill to bring > America into the war. No neutral country is obligated to trade with another nation it does not wish to. Your insinuation that a nation cutting off trade with another nation is an act of war is absurd, and denies the right of any nation to morally judge the agressive actions of another nation, namely the Japanese Rape of Nanking. Of course, I realize that a pacifist be careful of your presumptions like yourself has no trouble at all apologizing and/or ignoring the heinous crimes of nations that have agressed against the US Aside from Japan and Germany, you want to list for me the nations that have aggressed against the US? You make it sound like they have been coming ashore in Asbury Park in droves. , and you seem to have a particular faculty for buying into the propaganda of every thuggish government, and tin-pot dictator, I have not, nor am I, defending ANY government...ESPECIALLY what claims to be ours. BUT automatically reject any argument by the US. Hey, when I came home from school all beat up because I got the shit kicked out of me......the first question I got was, "What did you do to provoke it?" Our founders warned us to NEVER TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT! "The price of Liberty is Eternal Vigilance." Trust doesn't enter into it. You don't trust 'em .... YOU WATCH 'EM....LIKE A HAWK!!!!!!!! They recognized that having a government at all, ESPECIALLY AN ARMED GOVERNMENT, is VERY VERY DANGEROUS. They learned that by having to FIGHT A REVOLUTION AGAINST THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT. (That's how we got started ..... or did you forget?) They often characterized an armed government as an EVIL...made necessary by the fact of other such ARMED GOVERNMENTS in the world. They considered it so dangerous, in fact, for the government to be armed......that they wrote into the Constitution the MANDATE that the Citizenry remain armed ... so that they could defend themselves against their own government if necessary. They also acknowledged that YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT is potentially YOUR ENEMY ...... MOST TO BE FEARED...ABOVE ALL OTHERS. THERE IS NOTHING....ABSOLUTELY NOTHING....I WOULD PUT PAST "OUR GOVERNMENT".......AND THERE'S PLENTY OF HISTORY TO BACK THAT UP. GOVERNMENTS HAVE MURDERED/KILLED MORE PEOPLE, OFTEN ENORMOUS NUMBERS OF THEIR OWN CITIZENS, THAN ANYTHING ELSE. This speaks to a form of Oppositional Defiant Disorder and not opinion based on facts reasoned by someone with rational faculties. You keep resorting to the old "anyone who disagrees with me is a nut case." Did you learn that at Langley? Of course, why should I expect an aerospace contractor to push anything but the government line. It's good to keep in mind which side of the bread the butter is on...eh Mike? I'll leave the other readers to decide who they think is most rational here. Meanwhile, I think we should return the field to those who are discussing the Liberty Dollar. Jake Mike Lorrey President, Lorrey Aerospace http://www.lorrey.biz<http://www.lorrey.biz/> Founder, Constitution Park Foundation Blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com<http://intlib.blogspot.com/> --- Henry Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/ALD-forum/post?postID=ttkTAalWqbkjeEWCvv4RYnVg_ObVThh4erz5oGk_nnyXR1oSZALsvdEsZy2-PXhYsJoWlQpDDjFMQkeY1TwvJg>> wrote: > > Of course, why should I expect an aerospace contractor to push > anything but > the government line. It's good to keep in mind which side of the > bread the > butter is on...eh Mike? If you actually had the reading comprehension to read my site, you'd see I am not an "aerospace contractor", I have no contracts with governments, and I am highly critical of government space programs. But I suspect that, like a book critic, you lack the faculties to actually read, and prefer to jump to wacko conspiracy theory conclusions. What I am doing with my website is to develop an entirely private reusable launcher, which will do no business with government, but I suspect that you'd rather smear people and make absurd claims based on no information. Mike Lorrey President, Lorrey Aerospace http://www.lorrey.biz<http://www.lorrey.biz/> Founder, Constitution Park Foundation Blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com<http://intlib.blogspot.com/> RE: [ALD] LD vs fringe kook politics I apologize for jumping to that conclusion, Mike. I just assumed it from the name Lorrey Aerospace. I should not have done so without investigating. Wish you great success in that endeavor. 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