Ian
It is CLEAR from your comments that you LACK
UNDERSTANDING of the FairTax. Go get the book,
and read it. The FairTax is THE MOST IMPORTANT
ITEM that we have yet to BRING to the table because more
citizens are needed to bring pressure on their Federal
legislators to co-sponsors the House / Senate bill/s.
MJ
It is CLEAR from your response that you simply regurgitate
what you have been told regarding this legislation. I have
the propaganda (book). Reading it does not change reality.
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MJ
Yes ... it is as 'voluntary' as the income tax.
IAN
You have to FILE to GET YOUR WITHHOLDING BACK
(assuming that you're like most wage earners), otherwise
you INVOLUNTARILY paid the income tax.
MJ
You have to REGISTER in order to get the 'pre-bate' ... of
course that has NOTHING to do with the reality that the
Fair Tax is no more voluntary than the Income Tax.
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MJ
Huh? In order to receive the Government Rebate Check you must
register.
IAN
It's called a Social Security No. And you got one already.
MJ
The topic here is the Fair [sic] Tax. No wonder you removed the
CONTEXT. Too many Fair [sic] Tax Pollyanna's faithfully believe
that the entire political landscape is simply going to change because
this legislation is passed ... no longer will People obtain forged/fake
credentials ... no longer will the Bureaucrats make wrong decisions.
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MJ
While hundreds of thousands (if not millions) will have NEW
compliance paperwork and their costs.
IAN
FairTax reduces "filers" some 90%! Only retailers file a STATE Sales
Tax form, as many of them do in most states right NOW. So, given
scale of economies, the FairTax will operate MORE EFFICIENTLY.
What's more, some 6 BILLION HUMAN HOURS just in compliance (estimated
to be worth between $350 B to $500 B - depending on extent
of "compliance" definition, i.e., such as consultants involved in
business planning / tax avoidance planning; it's ALL GONE under
FairTax). And, you're sayin' WHA?
MJ
Yes, temporarily under HR 25, very few People will have to file an
Income Tax Return. Of course, as I noted, hundreds of thousands
(if not millions) will have NEW compliance paperwork and their costs.
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MJ
Yes, new options for the Government and the K-Street Planners.
IAN
The K-STREET LOBBYISTS (53% of the 40,000 of them that game the TAX
CODE) GO HOME, IF FAIRTAX BECOMES LAW.
MJ
<sigh>
I wonder if those touting the Income Tax said the SAME nonsense about
Tariff Lobbyists.
The Fair [sic] Tax of 2006 will be QUICKLY followed by the Soak the Rich
Income Tax Act of <Insert Date>. There will also be the Exempt Food from
the Fair [sic] Tax Act of <insert date> followed closely by a long series of
Exempt <insert good> and certainly multiple Rates (that National ID the Rs
have provided the groundwork will come in handy).
No Pollyanna, the Lobbyists will simply have NEW Territory under which to
ply their wares. Remember HR 25 is simply legislation passed by 50%+1.
Just as all the Modifications to HR 25.
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MJ
The tax system is not the problem. The spending is the problem.
IAN
Yes, but the tax system is connected to the spending problem. Go
6 MIN AND 25 SEC's into the following video,
MJ
Your 'film' is not relevant, just as changing poisons.
Ian
and you'll see that the authors of the FairTax KNOW THE PROBLEM, and
how the FAIRTAX begins to set us on the course to CORRECTING the
problem of HOLDING OUR POL'S ACCOUNTABLE for their spending.
MJ
Another Panacea ... pass THIS legislation and *suddenly* (like magic),
the dumb masses will hold Politicians accountable. I have a few bridges
and some swamp land ....
Ian
First you've got to get JOE PUBLIC UN-BAFFLED. (Like I'm trying to get you
unbaffled.)
MJ
ROTFLMAO Keep telling yourself such nonsense -- maybe you will believe
it.
I fixed HR 25 ... let's see if I can find it ... (stripped of the
'format headers' ... the
modified version of Ron Paul's repeal of Amendment 16)
Article --
SECTION 1. The Government of the United States shall not engage in
any business, professional, commercial, financial, or industrial
enterprise except as specified in the Constitution.
SECTION 2. The constitution or laws of any State, or the laws of the
United States, shall not be subject to the terms of any foreign or
domestic agreement which would abrogate this amendment.
SECTION 3. The activities of the United States Government which
violate the intent and purposes of this amendment shall, within a
period of three years from the date of the ratification of this
amendment, be liquidated and the properties and facilities affected
shall be sold.
SECTION 4. The First of January after the ratification of this
amendment, the sixteenth article of amendments to the Constitution of
the United States shall stand repealed and thereafter Congress shall
not levy taxes on personal incomes, estates, gifts nor
shall Congress levy taxes on Individuals, goods, services, products,
businesses or otherwise except as they relate to THE retail sales tax
as provided for in this amendment.
SECTION 5. The sole method of tax, revenue collection or any other
synonym derived currently or in the future which results in the
Federal Government receiving dollars to fund its Constitutional
activities permitted will be a sales tax levied at the point of sale
resulting in consumption.
SECTION 6. The initial rate of this tax will be 23%. At no time
within the 5 year reduction period will this rate be exceeded.
SECTION 7. The rate of this tax will not exceed 10% and will be
applied equally to all Persons regardless of any groupings
imaginable. The Congress will have 5 Years to make the necessary
adjustments. The 10% rate can be exceeded on a temporary basis
(requiring a vote of 2/3rds of both Houses along with Presidential
signature -- this MUST be done for EACH year of renewal) ONLY when
the United States is at War consistent with a Declaration of War or
Letters of Marque and reprisal as stipulated in Article I, Section 8,
Clause 11. All money collected by the increase PLUS all money (as a
percentage) previously expended for the purpose of defense/military
will go toward that Declared War effort. Immediately upon signature
and adoption of a Peace Treaty (or similar conclusion to the Warring)
any surcharge rate will be repealed.
SECTION 8. The Federal Reserve Board and its ability to inflate
(read: tax or steal savings) the dollar is hereby abolished.
SECTION 9. No Sovereign State nor subdivision therein will tax its
Citizens in excess of 10% of that State's GNP -- collectively. Each
State will have 5 years to make appropriate adjustments.
Want to start a Revolution? Repeal Withholding.
Regard$,
--MJ
"The consumption tax, on the other hand, can
only be regarded as a payment for permission-to-live.
It implies that a man will not be allowed to advance
or even sustain his own life, unless he pays, off
the top, a fee to the State for permission to do
so. The consumption tax does not strike me, in its
philosophical implications, as one whit more noble,
or less presumptuous, than the income tax."
-- Murray Rothbard
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