Jon Roland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > You need to meet such people. Please introduce me.
But Sayyid Qutb died in 1966! What modern reference do you have, if any? In 1966 sexual attitudes in the US were about the same as his. Birth control was illegal. Homosexuals were arrested and registered as sex offenders. "Howl", or "Tropic of Cancer", or many serious works of literature could be banned. But if you really think that sexual temptation is the problem, why is the still relatively prudish US the target, instead of Europe? But if sex is the problem, is it temptation or morality? What do you think the Islamists thought of the Clinton impeachment? I can imagine a world where a man can have four wives as long as he treats them all equally being shocked by the antics of Monica and Bill. (Real offenses by the Clintons may have not been prosecuted.) Harland Harrison ----- Message d'origine ---- De : Jon Roland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> À : [email protected] Envoyé le : Lundi, 2 Juin 2008, 6h05mn 34s Objet : Re: [Libertarian] Re: Re: LP VP, WAR Rants About Ron, War On Terror, Islamo-Fascism You need to meet such people. I have, although I have met many more who know such people personally as their countrymen, and who, while they reject those views, provide a lot of insight into their thinking. It also helps to read some of their writings. Not the video and audio recordings from al Qaeda intended for a Western audience, but the internal communications and works of major intellectual influences such as Sayyid Qutb <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb> . It is also useful to read what their critics write. A good place to start is The Wahhabi Myth <http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/qutb.htm> site. What I am saying are not just "presumptions", but the result of serious investigation, in which I have tried to understand the thinking of others who think very differently than do I or the people on this list. We are not discussing the majority of Muslims, but a small minority, albeit a minority who have some talent for manipulating public opinion in the Muslim world toward support, or at least ineffective opposition, to their activities. The best way to see that is to examine how effective they have been in securing a base of operations in the Not-so-federally Administered Tribal Areas of northwestern Pakistan, from which they direct terrorist attacks in many parts of the world. The last paragraph below does summarize their position, but the evil they complain about has little to do with U.S. military interventions or foreign aid. That is an irritant for them. What enrages them most are scantily clad women permitted or encouraged to be temptresses, because they cannot tolerate the presence, anywhere in the world, of temptation. A movie like /Sex in the City/ is the essence of why they hate our influence in the world. In the West we are taught to manage temptation. They are taught to avoid or suppress the sources of it. That tendency is not limited to them. We have certainly seen plenty of it here in the West. We have also seen how various religious sects in the West have tried to impose their beliefs on others, although we seem to have gotten those efforts under some control in the last century or so. From the viewpoint of most of us, that is a more advanced state of civilization, but for many people around the world that is decadence, to be destroyed like a contagious disease. Harland Harrison wrote: > Although I have never met anybody who called himself an "Islamo Fascist" I > respectfully disagree with your presumptions about such people. The > quintessential terrorist was Mohammed Atta who led the 9-11 hijackers. Atta > earned a Masters degree in Urban Planning while he studied in Germany. > Then, he and his men learned to pilot jet liners. That is not a rejection > of civilization. > > People who do see a low-tech, agricultural life as utopia just go and live > that way by themselves. In the US, The Amish famously do this, and so do > the FLDS polygamists. There are plenty of places in the Arab world for > people who want to avoid civilization. > > What is going on in the terrorists' minds? They apply very high moral > standards to themselves and to their society. When they judge the US > government by these same standards, they see it as an incarnation of evil. > That has nothing to do with technology and nothing to do with freedom per > se. They see an immoral force in the world and want to set things right. > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Constitution Society 7793 Burnet Road #37, Austin, TX 78757 512/299-5001 www.constitution.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non sollicités http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
