Obamanoids debate Obama's wiretaps ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peggy Capwell <[email protected]> Date: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [theadultroundtable] Re: O Backs Wiretaps To: [email protected]
I hate to sound like Palin, but really a combination of sources - online publications and sites and television programs(I lean toward liberal-minded opinions). I have to admit to few paper publications, so that would be MSNBC, HLN, CNN, C-SPAN, C-SPAN II, PBS, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, Greta Van Susteran, Realtime with Bill Maher, Yahoo News, KOS, The Lowdown with Hightower, Project Vote Smart, The New York Times, The Huffington Post, and various online sites including this one. I'm afraid that I can't relate my impression to one specific source. My life is very dull and boring, so I have no fear of wrongdoing, but I want full unhampered privacy to perform my dull and boring living. --- On *Fri, 7/17/09, ldeank520 <[email protected]>* wrote: From: ldeank520 <[email protected]> Subject: [theadultroundtable] Re: O Backs Wiretaps To: [email protected] Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:34 PM What source causes you to think the policy discussed in the article subjects you to what you describe? Larry --- In theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. com<http://us.mc458.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=theadultroundtable%40yahoogroups..com>, Peggy Capwell <peggycapwell@ ...> wrote: > > Larry...I trust President Obama to do the right thing, but he, personally, is not the one eavesdropping and keeping records. We already know from reports on tv that some conversations are played over and over for the pleasure of "audiences" or other workers involved in the same job. > > I resent not having the right to privacy that I always thought I enjoyed, on the phone, email, mail, or what books I buy or check out. I like feeling that I can express an opinion at anytime to whomever wants to hear or read on whatever subject I choose. I'm uncomfortable thinking that someone with whom I must work my or my neighbor might become aware of differences of opinion that could cause an unneeded problem in our relationship. It doesn't have to be criminal or uncivilized or sick. Just a difference of opinion that needs not be a focus. > > I just don't like have my phone tapped or my mail or anything else monitored. > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, ldeank520 <ldeank...@. ...> wrote: > > > From: ldeank520 <ldeank...@. ..> > Subject: [theadultroundtable ] Re: O Backs Wiretaps > To: theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. > com<http://us.mc458.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=theadultroundtable%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:01 PM > > > > > > > As best I recall the only question I asked is, "How does the policy described in the article step on your civil rights?" Are you only imagining civil rights intrusion or does the policy really imply something I missed? > > Larry > > > > --- In theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. com, "Sandra Goodwin" <bridger82923@ ...> wrote: > > > > I was answering you, Larry. Wiretapping invades our privacy. Yes, yes, I know they claim not to be interested in the average American but how do you close the door once it's opened? > > > > > > In theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. com, "ldeank520" <ldeank520@> wrote: > > > > > > Sandra, > > > > > > How does the policy described in the article step on your civil rights? > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > --- In theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. com, "Sandra Goodwin" <bridger82923@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Unlike "most Americans" I am uncomfortable having my civil rights stepped on no matter who's doing the dance. > > > > > > > > > > > > In theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. com, "ldeank520" <ldeank520@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Obviously most Americans will be less uncomfortable about this activity now that it is being overseen by Leon Panetta and the Obama Administration. > > > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > --- In theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. com, bruce majors <bruce.majors@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama Goes to Bat for Bush Wiretap Program > > > > > > //////////// ///////// ///////// ///////// // > > > > > > by Bob Egelko > > > > > > > > > > > > S.F. Chronicle > > > > > > http://www.sfgate. com/cgi-bin/ article.cgi? f=/c/a/2009/ 07/15/MN3U18PAU3 .DTL > > > > > > > > > > > > July 16, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > SAN FRANCISCO - President Obama is adamant about maintaining the secrecy of > > > > > > a wiretapping program authorized by George W. Bush, an administration lawyer > > > > > > told a federal judge in San Francisco on Wednesday. > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama "does not intend to use the state-secrets privilege to cover up > > > > > > illegal activities," said Justice Department attorney Anthony Coppolino. But > > > > > > in exceptional circumstances, he said, the president will invoke secrecy to > > > > > > protect "the sources and methods of detecting terrorist attacks .... the > > > > > > crown jewel of the United States national security administration. . " > > > > > > > > > > > > Coppolino said the administration will cite national security in seeking > > > > > > dismissal of a lawsuit by telephone customers accusing the government of > > > > > > illegally intercepting phone calls and obtaining phone company records. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker heard about 90 minutes of arguments > > > > > > and said he would rule later. > > > > > > > > > > > > The suit is similar to claims filed against AT&T and other > > > > > > telecommunications firms in 2006, following Bush's acknowledgement that he > > > > > > had authorized eavesdropping on Americans' communications with suspected > > > > > > foreign terrorists without seeking court approval. > > > > > > > > > > > > Walker, in whose court the cases were consolidated, dismissed the suits > > > > > > earlier this year based on a 2008 law that shielded the companies from > > > > > > liability for alleged cooperation with surveillance that Bush had > > > > > > authorized. > > > > > > > > > > > > That law did not prevent private citizens from suing the government, as long > > > > > > as they could show they were the targets of illegal eavesdropping. . The > > > > > > current suit, filed by most of the same customers who sued AT&T, claims that > > > > > > a "dragnet surveillance" program intercepted millions of messages to mine > > > > > > them for suspicious content. > > > > > > > > > > > > Although both the Bush and Obama administrations have refused to discuss the > > > > > > extent of phone company participation, several members of Congress have > > > > > > confirmed that the government obtained records from phone companies, the > > > > > > plaintiffs' lawyer, Kevin Bankston of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, > > > > > > told Walker. > > > > > > > > > > > > The judge said in a 2006 ruling that AT&T had helped the government in > > > > > > surveillance, citing statements by federal officials and a former AT&T > > > > > > employee. On Wednesday, he asked Coppolino whether anything had changed that > > > > > > would justify dismissing the latest lawsuit. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Justice Department lawyer replied that the plaintiffs will have to air > > > > > > classified information in court about "the nature and scope of the > > > > > > government's surveillance program" to prove their case, and the government > > > > > > will have to do the same to defend itself. That "would risk exceptional harm > > > > > > to the national security," Coppolino said. > > > > > > > > > > > > Walker, however, cited a recent inspector general's report on U.S.. > > > > > > intelligence that said the surveillance was far broader than Bush had > > > > > > described and was on legally shaky ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > An unclassified version of the report was released last week. Walker said > > > > > > the full report might show whether officials had violated private citizens' > > > > > > constitutional rights. > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
