"I trust President Obama to do the right thing" These fools will beleive anything.
-- In [email protected], bruce majors <bruce.maj...@...> wrote: > > Obamanoids debate Obama's wiretaps > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Peggy Capwell <peggycapw...@...> > Date: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: [theadultroundtable] Re: O Backs Wiretaps > To: [email protected] > > > > > I hate to sound like Palin, but really a combination of sources - online > publications and sites and television programs(I lean toward liberal-minded > opinions). I have to admit to few paper publications, so that would be > MSNBC, HLN, CNN, C-SPAN, C-SPAN II, PBS, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, > Greta Van Susteran, Realtime with Bill Maher, Yahoo News, KOS, The Lowdown > with Hightower, Project Vote Smart, The New York Times, The Huffington Post, > and various online sites including this one. I'm afraid that I can't relate > my impression to one specific source. > > My life is very dull and boring, so I have no fear of wrongdoing, but I > want full unhampered privacy to perform my dull and boring living. > > --- On *Fri, 7/17/09, ldeank520 <ldeank...@...>* wrote: > > > From: ldeank520 <ldeank...@...> > Subject: [theadultroundtable] Re: O Backs Wiretaps > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:34 PM > > What source causes you to think the policy discussed in the article > subjects you to what you describe? > > Larry > > --- In theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. > com<http://us.mc458.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=theadultroundtable%40yahoogroups..com>, > Peggy Capwell <peggycapwell@ ...> wrote: > > > > Larry...I trust President Obama to do the right thing, but he, personally, > is not the one eavesdropping and keeping records. We already know from > reports on tv that some conversations are played over and over for the > pleasure of "audiences" or other workers involved in the same job. > > > > I resent not having the right to privacy that I always thought I enjoyed, > on the phone, email, mail, or what books I buy or check out. I like feeling > that I can express an opinion at anytime to whomever wants to hear or read > on whatever subject I choose. I'm uncomfortable thinking that someone with > whom I must work my or my neighbor might become aware of differences of > opinion that could cause an unneeded problem in our relationship. It > doesn't have to be criminal or uncivilized or sick. Just a difference of > opinion that needs not be a focus. > > > > I just don't like have my phone tapped or my mail or anything else > monitored. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, ldeank520 <ldeank520@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > From: ldeank520 <ldeank520@ ..> > > > Subject: [theadultroundtable ] Re: O Backs Wiretaps > > To: theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. > > com<http://us.mc458.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=theadultroundtable%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As best I recall the only question I asked is, "How does the policy > described in the article step on your civil rights?" Are you only imagining > civil rights intrusion or does the policy really imply something I missed? > > > > Larry > > > > > > > --- In theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. com, "Sandra Goodwin" > <bridger82923@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I was answering you, Larry. Wiretapping invades our privacy. Yes, yes, I > know they claim not to be interested in the average American but how do you > close the door once it's opened? > > > > > > > > > In theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. com, "ldeank520" <ldeank520@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sandra, > > > > > > > > How does the policy described in the article step on your civil > rights? > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > --- In theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. com, "Sandra Goodwin" > <bridger82923@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Unlike "most Americans" I am uncomfortable having my civil rights > stepped on no matter who's doing the dance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. com, "ldeank520" <ldeank520@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously most Americans will be less uncomfortable about this > activity now that it is being overseen by Leon Panetta and the Obama > Administration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In theadultroundtable@ yahoogroups. com, bruce majors > <bruce.majors@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama Goes to Bat for Bush Wiretap Program > > > > > > > //////////// ///////// ///////// ///////// // > > > > > > > by Bob Egelko > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S.F. Chronicle > > > > > > > http://www.sfgate. com/cgi-bin/ article.cgi? f=/c/a/2009/ > 07/15/MN3U18PAU3 .DTL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > July 16, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAN FRANCISCO - President Obama is adamant about maintaining the > secrecy of > > > > > > > a wiretapping program authorized by George W. Bush, an > administration lawyer > > > > > > > told a federal judge in San Francisco on Wednesday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama "does not intend to use the state-secrets privilege to > cover up > > > > > > > illegal activities," said Justice Department attorney Anthony > Coppolino. But > > > > > > > in exceptional circumstances, he said, the president will invoke > secrecy to > > > > > > > protect "the sources and methods of detecting terrorist attacks > .... the > > > > > > > crown jewel of the United States national security > administration. . " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coppolino said the administration will cite national security in > seeking > > > > > > > dismissal of a lawsuit by telephone customers accusing the > government of > > > > > > > illegally intercepting phone calls and obtaining phone company > records. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker heard about 90 minutes > of arguments > > > > > > > and said he would rule later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The suit is similar to claims filed against AT&T and other > > > > > > > telecommunications firms in 2006, following Bush's > acknowledgement that he > > > > > > > had authorized eavesdropping on Americans' communications with > suspected > > > > > > > foreign terrorists without seeking court approval. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walker, in whose court the cases were consolidated, dismissed > the suits > > > > > > > earlier this year based on a 2008 law that shielded the > companies from > > > > > > > liability for alleged cooperation with surveillance that Bush > had > > > > > > > authorized. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That law did not prevent private citizens from suing the > government, as long > > > > > > > as they could show they were the targets of illegal > eavesdropping. . The > > > > > > > current suit, filed by most of the same customers who sued AT&T, > claims that > > > > > > > a "dragnet surveillance" program intercepted millions of > messages to mine > > > > > > > them for suspicious content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although both the Bush and Obama administrations have refused to > discuss the > > > > > > > extent of phone company participation, several members of > Congress have > > > > > > > confirmed that the government obtained records from phone > companies, the > > > > > > > plaintiffs' lawyer, Kevin Bankston of the Electronic Frontier > Foundation, > > > > > > > told Walker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The judge said in a 2006 ruling that AT&T had helped the > government in > > > > > > > surveillance, citing statements by federal officials and a > former AT&T > > > > > > > employee. On Wednesday, he asked Coppolino whether anything had > changed that > > > > > > > would justify dismissing the latest lawsuit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Justice Department lawyer replied that the plaintiffs will > have to air > > > > > > > classified information in court about "the nature and scope of > the > > > > > > > government's surveillance program" to prove their case, and the > government > > > > > > > will have to do the same to defend itself. That "would risk > exceptional harm > > > > > > > to the national security," Coppolino said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walker, however, cited a recent inspector general's report on > U.S.. > > > > > > > intelligence that said the surveillance was far broader than > Bush had > > > > > > > described and was on legally shaky ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An unclassified version of the report was released last week. > Walker said > > > > > > > the full report might show whether officials had violated > private citizens' > > > > > > > constitutional rights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
