> The Cuban MDs are private? There's private medical care in Cuba? I write nothing of the kind. You took two phrases out of context. It says: ... Red Cross relief could not fly into Haiti after the >US military seized the airport.
> Cuba a victim? How? The CIA installed Castro? That's news to me. Actually, that could be true! The US gov't supported the revolution before they knew the Communist wing would take it over. The US embargoed the Batista regime, broke off diplomatic relations, and US media, like Life magazine, ran glamorous stories about "freedom fighters". Castro visited the US. JFK later admitted he supported the revolution at that time. > Cuba is a victim of itself, of the anti-libertarian communist dictatorship > they have chosen. You can't have it both ways; Cubans either chose their leaders or live under dictatorship. >So what? So I have a natural right to go anywhere in the world! I shouldn't need permission from the US gov't. Why don't I have the same rights as a citizen of France or Peru? > If the U.S. is so bad, they should embargo us. Actually, they do. That is how governments works. The US gov't and the Cuban gov't, like many others, work together to exploit their citizens. They tell you to hate Cuba; they tell Cubans to hate the US. They make you pay for armies, take your freedom, monopolize trade, and keep you living in fear because you hate whom they tell you to. Harland Harrison LP of San Mateo CA ________________________________ De : Bruce Dovner <[email protected]> À : [email protected] Cc : [email protected]; LPSF Discussion List <[email protected]>; [email protected] Envoyé le : Mer 20 Janvier 2010, 16 h 42 min 43 s Objet : Re : [CALibs] Fwd: Cuba is Missing - Or Is It? Libertarians love >private aid. Did anyone listen on 7.045 Mhz to the "amateurs" >organizing relief efforts?Doctors Without >Borders, the Cuban MDs... The Cuban MDs are private? There's private medical care in Cuba? Cuba is one of the >most long-suffering victims of the US gov't. Cuba a victim? How? The CIA installed Castro? That's news to me. The U.S. did chicken out in the Bay of Pigs affair and failed to support the freedom fighters. But that was decades ago. If you're a lefty, you can take solace in the fact that the invasion failed. Cuba is a victim of itself, of the anti-libertarian communist dictatorship they have chosen. If you're going to choose alleged victims of the U.S. government, at least choose innocent ones, at least choose free nations rather than anti-libertarian dictatorships.. Yeah, I know libertarians hate the U.S. government. But that's no excuse to glorify governments that are much worse. > Is it such a >libertarian paradise that it would be of interest to libertarians? >The US gov't won't >let you go there! I understand the US gov't fines citizens $10,000 >without any hearing or trial >at all if the >Treasury Dept. thinks they traveled there. Cuba is a country under >siege, embargoed by a corrupt gov't >25 times its size, > and run by a military dictatorship. If the Cubans don't sympathize >with us libertarians, nobody will. So what? Cuba is still a dictatorship as you acknowledge. Cuba is not under siege. When was the last time the U.S. threatened Cuba with military force? So what if there is an embargo. It is against dealing with communist state enterprises, which is just about all of the enterprises in Cuba. If Cuba is such a great country, why does it need the U.S. with whom to trade? If the U.S. is so bad, they should embargo us. How does the U.S. have any obligation to bail out a communist dictatorship? Why do they need the U.S., if Cuba is such a great country and the U.S. is such an evil one? It is not the U.S. that embargoes Cuba, it is the Cuba that embargoes the U.S. The Cuban government bans the sale of any uncensored U.S. paper or political product in Cuba. When Cuba is ready to have free trade in intellectual products, then maybe they can have free trade in others. If the Cubans don't >sympathize with us libertarians, nobody will. If they sympathized with us, then we'd hear about it. They chose a communist government, not a libertarian one. Many Cubans here >seem to be Republican! Is there an LP in Miami where Cuban refugees >concentrated? Yeah, wonder why that is. Where are all the island Cuban libertarians? Bruce Harland Harrison wrote: > >> How >does this concern libertarians? >Libertarians love >private aid. Did anyone listen on 7.045 Mhz to the "amateurs" >organizing relief efforts? >Doctors Without >Borders, the Cuban MDs , and some Red Cross relief could not fly into >Haiti after the >US military seized >the airport. The US gov't wanted Clinton and PA Gov Rendell to fly in >and out, >in slots relief >aircraft could have used. > > >> Who gives a >xxx about Cuba? >Cuba is one of the >most long-suffering victims of the US gov't. It is also the location >of a US gov't torture center. > > >> Is it such a >libertarian paradise that it would be of interest to libertarians? >The US gov't won't >let you go there! I understand the US gov't fines citizens $10,000 >without any hearing or trial >at all if the >Treasury Dept. thinks they traveled there. Cuba is a country under >siege, embargoed by a corrupt gov't >25 times its size, > and run by a military dictatorship. If the Cubans don't sympathize >with us libertarians, nobody will. > > >>What do Cuban >libertarians think about it? Anyone been able to contact any Cuban >libertarians to find out what they think? >Many Cubans here >seem to be Republican! Is there an LP in Miami where Cuban refugees >concentrated? > > >Harland Harrison >LP of San Mateo >County CA > > > ________________________________ De : >Bruce Dovner <bdov...@artnet. net> >À : cal...@yahoogroups. com >Cc : Libertarian@ yahoogroups. com; >LPSF Discussion List <lpsf-discuss@ yahoogroups. com>; >lpradic...@yahoogro ups.com >Envoyé le : Mar 19 >Janvier 2010, 21 h 27 min 52 s >Objet : Re: [CALibs] >Fwd: Cuba is Missing - Or Is It? > > > >>How does this concern libertarians? Who gives a rat's ass about Cuba? >Is it such a libertarian paradise that it would be of interest to >libertarians? What do Cuban libertarians think about it? Anyone been >able to contact any Cuban libertarians to find out what they think? > >>Harland Harrison wrote: > > >> >>>>--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Scott Bidstrup <sc...@bidstrup. com> >>wrote: >> >> >>>>>>From: Scott Bidstrup <sc...@bidstrup. com> >>>>>>Subject: Cuba is Missing - Or Is It? >>>>>>Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 11:01 PM >>> >>> >>>All, >>> >>>>>>Cuba is missing, alright, primarily from the list of nations to which >>>the Fawning Corporate Media in the United States is willing to pay >>>respect. >>> >>>>>>What it is not missing from, is the list of first responder nations to >>>the Haiti emergency. Contrary to what Fox News has reported, it has >>>not only responded by sending medical help, but it was one of the first >>>to do so. Cuba, hit frequently by hurricanes as it is, knows how to >>>deal with emergencies, and is doing so very effectively. It was one of >>>the first to land medical help into the affected area, having sent 30 >>>in addition to the 400 it already had there. >>> >>>>>>And its people have responded - I know, because I can listen (7045 >>>Khz.) to the efforts of the ham radio operators in Cuba, providing >>>emergency communications into the affected area - and doing so with >>>more efficiency and effectiveness than anyone else, including such >>>experienced U.S. groups as the Salvation Army. >>> >>>>>>Scott >>> >>>>>>==== >>> >>>>>>Cuba is Missing...From US Reports on the International Response to >>>Haiti’s Earthquake >>>>>>Dave Lindorff >>> >>>http://www.smirking >>>chimp.com/ thread/26095 >>> >>>>>>There are only two US media outlets that have reported on Cuba’s >>>response to the deadly 7.0 earthquake that hit Haiti. One was Fox News, >>>which claimed, wrongly, that the Cubans were absent from the list of >>>neighboring Caribbean countries providing aid. The other was the >>>Christian Science Monitor (a respected news organization that recently >>>shut down its print edition), which reported correctly that Cuba had >>>dispatched 30 doctors to the stricken nation. >>> >>>>>>The Christian Science Monitor, in a second article, quoted Laurence >>>Korb, former assistant secretary of defense and now based at the Center >>>for American Progress, as saying that the US, which is leading the >>>relief efforts in Haiti, should “consider tapping the expertise of >>>neighboring Cuba,” which he noted, “has some of the best doctors in the >>>world--we should see about flying them in.” >>> >>>>>>As for the rest of the US media, they have simply ignored Cuba. >>> >>>>>>In fact, left unmentioned is the reality that Cuba already had over 400 >>>doctors posted to Haiti to help with the day-to-day health needs of >>>this poorest nation in the Americas, and that those doctors were the >>>first to respond to the disaster, setting up a hospital right next to >>>the main hospital in Port-au-Prince which collapsed in the earthquake. >>> >>>>>>Far from “doing nothing” about the disaster as the right-wing >>>propagandists at Fox-TV were claiming, Cuba has been one of the most >>>effective and critical responders to the crisis, because it had set up >>>a medical infrastructure before the quake, which was able to mobilize >>>quickly and start treating the victims. >>> >>>>>>The American emergency response, predictably, has focussed primarily, >>>at least in terms of personnel and money, on sending the hugely costly >>>and inefficient US military--a fleet of aircraft and an aircraft >>>carrier--a factor that should be considered when examining that $100 >>>million figure the Obama administration claims is being allocated to >>>emergency aid to Haiti. Considering that the cost of operating an >>>aircraft carrier, including crew, is roughly $2 million a day, just >>>sending a carrier to Port-au-Prince for two weeks accounts for a >>>quarter of the announced American aid effort, and while many of the >>>military personnel sent there will certainly be doing actual aid work, >>>delivering supplies and guarding supplies, many, given America’s long >>>history of brutal military/colonial control of Haiti, will inevitably >>>be spending their time ensuring continued survival and control of the >>>parasitic pro-US political elite in Haiti. >>> >>>>>>Otherwise, the US has basically ignored the ongoing day-to-day human >>>crisis in Haiti, while Cuba has been doing the yeoman work of providing >>>basic health care. >>> >>>>>>But that’s not a story that the American corporate media want to tell. >>> >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
