Why are people so ultra uptight about this? The 'radicals' (more accurately 'extremists') are charging $100 in California, and no possibility of getting a fifty back. Why? They didn't cut a deal with the hotel, they just rented a room, so it's a flat $100, and by now, I think it's more because no more 'early bird' discounts. So what if Mister Carling disccused a 'what if?' It's not immoral to wonder out loud. Who better in the LPNY to speculate on the LNCs reaction than someone who spends time with them often? What a load of BS. Cough up your hunsky, or see if you can volunteer and work it off. Or, if you are a Candidate, or other Libertarian with a telephone, maybe you could raise the money? You have to still pay for transportation, food and lodging, no? Geez, why can't we just discuss it and come to a vote? How come one side always gets all whiney when it's not how they want. This is a decision and there is no absolute answer of 'to charge or not to charge' for Conventions. I'm fine with either one, if I see a viable business plan, and a responsible Convention contractor who's signed on the dotted line that they will pull it off. Read my pixels: I WOULD VOTE FOR A FREE CONVENTION IF. If I belived you guys could pull it off. But I don't believe you can. What you want is to tell Daddy how to finance the trip to Europe, and not work your summer job to help pay for it. Daddy, Daddy!! We don't want to pay our share. Well, I'll tell you what, kids... You guys go ahead and set the whole thing up and show me your budget and plan.
--- On Mon, 2/8/10, Sam Sloan <[email protected]> wrote: From: Sam Sloan <[email protected]> Subject: [Libertarian] Re: [LPNY_COMMITTEE] Re: Executive Session To: [email protected] Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 11:33 PM On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:03 AM, M Carling <mcarl...@gmail. com> wrote: > > > Tom, > > It is misleading to characterize a reduced inclination to give gifts as > "retribution. " > > M > Sorry but I fail to see the issue here. M states that seating elected delegates without requiring them to pay a $99 registration fee is "giving gifts". I see the opposite. Delegates to our national convention are dedicated volunteers. Many of them have spent untolled hours standing on street corners collecting signatures to get our Libertarian candidates on the ballot. They have no hope of gaining any benefit from their long hours of unpaid work. They were elected by their state committees as their representatives and they have traveled across the country at their own expense to represent their constituents. M says that we are giving them a gift by seating them at the national convention. I say that we owe them, not that they owe us. The title to the blog entry is "LPNY Risks Retribution For Expressing Its Opinion On LPUS Mandatory Convention Registration Fee<http://drtomstevens .blogspot. com/2010/ 02/lpny-risks- retribution- for-expressing. html> " I agree with M that this was perhaps not the best wording. However, as to the quote, "M Carling, who serves as Secretary of the LPNY and in a number of appointed positions on the national level, warned that although he will ask for national's financial help with upcoming statewide petition drives both this year and in 2012, he feared that his request would fall on "deaf ears" if we expressed our opinion on this issue." I was there and this is exactly what M Carling said. If he does not wish to be quoted saying things like that, then he should not say them. Sam Sloan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
