Supreme Court is getting ready to turn Corporations into Humans. So maybe we can get a Corporation to run for public office and thereby show "freedom of expression/speech"
Harland Harrison wrote: > > > A floor fee for delegates at an LP convention, violates the very principal > of representative government, and makes the lack of member > representation into an official policy. > > Delegates represent the people of their district; they do not represent > themselves. That is the very definition of the word, "delegate". The > state delegations are already too remote from their membership. Selling > the right to vote makes this situation even worse. The delegations will > become just groups of people who bought the right to appear and to > vote in their own personal interest. > > Currently, states have more allocated seats than they can fill. As a > result, > their delegates mostly volunteer instead of competing for election. Some > states, like California, do allow for "blackballing" an infamous > candidate. > However, not all states allow that procedure which does not replace a true > competitive choice, anyway. > > The Conventions do not adequately represent the membership, now. > Imposing a floor fee will make delegations less representative and be > an affront to the very ideal of representative government > > Harland Harrison > LP of San Mateo County CA > > ________________________________ > De : Bruce Cohen <[email protected] > <mailto:brucedcohen2002%40yahoo.com>> > À : [email protected] <mailto:Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > Envoyé le : Mar 9 Février 2010, 8 h 59 min 20 s > Objet : Re: [Libertarian] Re: [LPNY_COMMITTEE] Re: Executive Session > > Why are people so ultra uptight about this? > > The 'radicals' (more accurately 'extremists') are charging $100 > in California, and no possibility of getting a fifty back. > > Why? They didn't cut a deal with the hotel, they just rented > a room, so it's a flat $100, and by now, I think it's more > because no more 'early bird' discounts. > > So what if Mister Carling disccused a 'what if?' > It's not immoral to wonder out loud. > > Who better in the LPNY to speculate on the LNCs reaction > than someone who spends time with them often? > > What a load of BS. > Cough up your hunsky, or see if you can volunteer and > work it off. > Or, if you are a Candidate, or other Libertarian with a > telephone, maybe you could raise the money? > > You have to still pay for transportation, food and lodging, no? > > Geez, why can't we just discuss it and come to a vote? > How come one side always gets all whiney when it's > not how they want. > > This is a decision and there is no absolute answer of > 'to charge or not to charge' for Conventions. > > I'm fine with either one, if I see a viable business plan, > and a responsible Convention contractor who's signed > on the dotted line that they will pull it off. > > Read my pixels: > I WOULD VOTE FOR A FREE CONVENTION IF. > If I belived you guys could pull it off. > > But I don't believe you can. > What you want is to tell Daddy how to finance > the trip to Europe, and not work your summer > job to help pay for it. > > Daddy, Daddy!! We don't want to pay our share. > > Well, I'll tell you what, kids... You guys go ahead > and set the whole thing up and show me your > budget and plan. > > --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Sam Sloan <[email protected] > <mailto:samhsloan%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Sam Sloan <[email protected] <mailto:samhsloan%40gmail.com>> > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: [LPNY_COMMITTEE] Re: Executive Session > To: [email protected] > <mailto:lpny_committee%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 11:33 PM > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:03 AM, M Carling <mcarl...@gmail. com> wrote: > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > It is misleading to characterize a reduced inclination to give gifts as > > "retribution. " > > > > M > > > > Sorry but I fail to see the issue here. > > M states that seating elected delegates without requiring them to pay > a $99 > registration fee is "giving gifts". > > I see the opposite. Delegates to our national convention are dedicated > volunteers. Many of them have spent untolled hours standing on street > corners collecting signatures to get our Libertarian candidates on the > ballot. They have no hope of gaining any benefit from their long hours of > unpaid work. They were elected by their state committees as their > representatives and they have traveled across the country at their own > expense to represent their constituents. > > M says that we are giving them a gift by seating them at the national > convention. I say that we owe them, not that they owe us. > > The title to the blog entry is "LPNY Risks Retribution For Expressing Its > Opinion On LPUS Mandatory Convention Registration > Fee<http://drtomstevens .blogspot. com/2010/ 02/lpny-risks- > retribution- for-expressing. html> > " > > I agree with M that this was perhaps not the best wording. However, as to > the quote, "M Carling, who serves as Secretary of the LPNY and in a number > of appointed positions on the national level, warned that although he will > ask for national's financial help with upcoming statewide petition drives > both this year and in 2012, he feared that his request would fall on "deaf > ears" if we expressed our opinion on this issue." > > I was there and this is exactly what M Carling said. If he does not > wish to > be quoted saying things like that, then he should not say them. > > Sam Sloan > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian> Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
