Agreed on the responsibility aspect Rod. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Roderick T. Beaman < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > I am very reluctantly infavor of the death penalty; torture & murder, > serial murderers, child killings but with strong first hand witnessing. > Defining that could be difficult but Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, John Wayne > Gacy, etc. > > But as far as the female being drunk or stoned, getting drunk and then > driving and killing someone is looked upon askancely. She first decided to > drink or use. She's responsible for the results after. > > Let's leave it at that. > > Roderick T. Beaman,D.O. > Board Certified Family Physician > Politicians and government officials are like diapers. > They should be changed often and for the same reasons. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* earl reese <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Tue, April 13, 2010 2:59:34 AM > *Subject:* Re: [LibertarianExchange] Abortion. > > > > Yes. A very legitimate POV. But if you stop and think, those stats from > '69 to present may very well be correct. As many as it sounds it isn't > "that many" for 41 years with 350 million people. > > My POV is two fold. First, I must feel that the living, breathing human > has dominion over their bodily functions. I feel this must be primary > regardless of others feelings or religious beliefs (see R vs. W). With me > this is a huge thing. Secondly, and very secondly at that, we must > understand that there are those that hold life as santiounious. Whether it > is a religious or ethical position doesn't really matter. There remains the > question of where an individuals rights lie and where society may step in to > protect "another". > > But your (semi) argument doesn't hold water to me. Let's say the gal was > drunk or stoned (or both...been there in the day) and got preggo. So? She > no longer has right of dominion over her primary property? Sorry, I just > don't and never will buy that. You, or ya'll, may step up to "protect the > baby". Good for you. To me there isn't a baby until I hear it cry. > > If you follow the logic this is how this always plays out. If you have a > god that requires (human) life to have sanctity then you must define the > "beginning" of such life. This is tough and most easily done as the joining > of egg and sperm even if we know that fully 1/3 of them spontaneously > abort. So? Some of us disagree. Now what? > > You bring up State's rights here. I think that is an important issue. > Unfortunately, the R vs. W decision broadly defined "rights" of individuals > that were previously alluded to in the 10th amendment. This becomes serious > in the sense of how far do you want to interfere with the very real lives of > other people and how far are you willing to support those decisions > financially. And if you are willing to react as a force of government are > you willing to provide support in the form of a tax on everyone? Sticky, > ain't it? I mean lots of good christians, people want to overturn R vs W, > or think they do. But, if you look at the decision in a way that speaks to > the decision and not abortion do you really? If you do you are not a > libertarian. You are a State's rightist conservative. There is a huge > difference. Do you think THE INDIVIDUAL has the right of dominion or do you > think some government does? > > Moreover, how in the world could anyone ever support the sancity argument > and the death penalty? That makes absolutely no logical sense what so ever. > > Sorry, but this gets into much deeper realms, such as free will, than I > think ya'll want to discuss here. > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Roderick T. Beaman <crazylibertarian@ > yahoo.com <[email protected]>> wrote: > >> >> >> NYS legalized abortion around 1969. California did the same under Gov. >> Ronald Reagan. Since then and Roe vs. Wade there have been about 52 million >> abortions. Figure it’s been about 1 million yearly. >> >> The most frequently cited reasons for abortion rights are: >> 1. Cases of rape, >> 2. Incest. >> 3. Deaths from illegal abortions >> 4. Fetal abnormalities. >> There is no way that there were 52 million pregnancies that fell into the >> above categories. >> >> Just recently, I tried to find the number of deaths annually from >> abortions in this country. I did a Google search and could not find the >> statistics. The number of deaths from abortion were plummeting prior to >> those events, largely credited to antibiotics. >> >> As far a woman’s right to have dominion over her body, I ask precisely >> what she was exercising when she did the actions that resulted in the >> pregnancy. In other than cases of rape, by definition, she had made choice. >> Pregnancy was a logical possibility and actions have consequences. >> Libertarians should at least recognize that. >> Roderick T. Beaman,D.O. >> Board Certified Family Physician >> Politicians and government officials are like diapers. >> They should be changed often and for the same reasons. >> >> > > > -- > Earl > > “It is important to remember that government interference always means > either violent action or the threat of such action. . . . Taxes are paid > because the taxpayers are afraid of offering resistance to the tax > gatherers." > Ludwig Heinrich Edler von Mises > > > -- Earl “It is important to remember that government interference always means either violent action or the threat of such action. . . . Taxes are paid because the taxpayers are afraid of offering resistance to the tax gatherers." Ludwig Heinrich Edler von Mises
