On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 21:36 -0800, Travis Pahl wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:52:19 -0800, Lowell C. Savage
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Good evening, Tim!
> > 
> > 
> > > Lowell
> > >
> > > > In fact, a few of them even accuse the President of secretly
> > > > telling Congresscritters to make sure the bill didn't reach his
> > > > desk.
> > >
> > > > Had he done so, it would not have violated his promise to
> > > > "sign the bill."  And, so far as I know, he has not denied that
> > > > he did so.
> > >
> > > This does not seem good to me.
> > 
> > I don't know why.
> > 
> > > > After 8 years of parsing Clinton, "if it gets to my desk,
> > > > I'll sign it" is a model of clear political speech.
> > >
> > > Clear? Hardly if it allows Bush to go against the bill.
> > 
> > Remember, Bill Clinton was telling the truth when he said "I did not have
> > sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."  You see, he did not consider the
> > things he did with her to be sex.  We had 8 years of Bill Clinton saying
> > stuff like that (regarding his scandals, his policies, his actions, his
> > intentions, his ... you get the picture.)  EVERY time Bill said something,
> > you had to look at every word and ask if there was some meaning to the word
> > that could give him an "out" of some sort or make it possible that the
> > sentence meant something entirely different than most people would think.
> 
> Yeah, we remember.  But the point he was making has nothing to do with
> Clinton.  You see we are not talking about democrats, we are not
> talking about bill clinton, so please do not use them to try and
> distract from the fact that the republicans are no good.  yes we know
> democrats suck as well.  That is not in question.  It is like we are
> trying to say that that the atlantic ocean has alot of water in it and
> you are saying, "no the pacific ocean has alot of water in it."  Which
> is correct it does, but no one here is disputing that the pacific
> ocean has alot of water.

Ooh! Ooh! Can I? I want to dispute that! ;)

No seriously, I can. :D




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